2020 Summer Olympics / Games of the XXXII Olympiad bids

[hater]

Originally Posted by TRAM_space

If I were one of the organizers of the Shenzhen Universiade, I do not sit very well that first imitate the design of sporting venues, and even less than I would like promotional videos put pictures of the stadiums of the Chinese city.

Baku Crystal Hall was designed by the same architect and yes I agree with you its not a good idea to put up a picture of a stadium in Chinese city

[Lord David]

Originally Posted by zeroaishunv

Dubai is awesome!

Yet they're not bidding for 2020.

[ñuto]

Is the Lusail Iconic Stadium in Doha or in Al Daayen?
The Olympic Charter (34.1): "The Opening and Closing Ceremonies must take place in the host city itself"

An article about this point (in spanish):
http://olimpismo2007.blogspot.com/20...andidatas.html

[Boriska]

The Lusail Iconic Stadium is in... Lusail

[zazo,]

In the case of Madrid, the information about the sporting venues is really good, for the olympics it's needed to have 36 venues, nowadays in the city there are 27 and 7 to build and 2 temporal.
In those which must be built, we find the Olympic stadium, which is being remodelated today to become the new stadium of Athletic football club (when during the games the spanish league is off), and of course they are paying this remodelation.
Other building to build is the expansion of the International fair of Madrid, one of the most succesful in the world, and it's pretty solvent, that expansion will be used for the most of indoor sports (taekwondo, fight, etc) and paid by the Fair.
The bascketball centre will be paid by Real Madrid football club (the richest club on earth) to become the headquartiers of the bascketball team in the sporting city of the Team.
The other 3 venues will be in the same way, except rowing which will be public, becoming the first rowing centre in Madrid.

So, the investment in sporting venues will be very low, just the rowing centre and the temporal buildings.
The biggest amount of money the city will invest will be in the olympic villa, but after the games it will become in social housing with very low prices, but covering the initial investment, so the spending will be 0.

Despite the fact that the city will spend almost nothing and the 90% is built, I think IOC like a lot to help develop the second and third world countries, so, Istambul is probably the best option in that case, following Beijing and Rio, but things have changed since London olympic changes and the crisis, they will choose the safest (the less investment needed), but all are suppositions.


And some pictures of the stadium (after the olympics):








More information: www.madrid2020.es

[GYEvanEFR]

I still respecting their decision to use Estadio la Peineta. But, won't it will be the smallest Olympic Stadium since 2004 Summer Olympics?!
after 2000 Summer Olympics, IOC never get the main stadium smaller than 72k seats.

[DÁMASO]

Originally Posted by GYEvanEFR

I still respecting their decision to use Estadio la Peineta. But, won't it will be the smallest Olympic Stadium since 2004 Summer Olympics?!
after 2000 Summer Olympics, IOC never get the main stadium smaller than 72k seats.

Madrid can do as Rio, using the Olympic Stadium La Peineta (60,000 seats) for athletics and the Olympic ceremonies in Santiago Bernabeu Stadium (86,000 seats) and it may even expand the capacity

[RobH]

They're not proposing that though. Their bid document has everything at this stadium. So it'll be the smallest stadium to host an Olympic ceremony since Barcelon in 1992 should they win. For athletics it'll be the same size as Rio for years earlier.

[DÁMASO]

Originally Posted by RobH

They're not proposing that though. Their bid document has everything at this stadium. So it'll be the smallest stadium to host an Olympic ceremony since Barcelon in 1992 should they win. For athletics it'll be the same size as Rio for years earlier.

I know that all events are in the Olympic Stadium, it was a joke. My opinion is that Madrid has presented a more realistic project. During the Olympic Games only full the stadium in the two opening and closing ceremonies, the remaining days is usually half empty. And after the Olympic Games to want a mega stadium? Madrid is not needed. Therefore, to provide a stadium with a capacity that can be filled during the games and then have a fixed use is very reasonable

[RobH]

Originally Posted by DÁMASO

I know that all events are in the Olympic Stadium, it was a joke. My opinion is that Madrid has presented a more realistic project. During the Olympic Games only full the stadium in the two opening and closing ceremonies, the remaining days is usually half empty. And after the Olympic Games to want a mega stadium? Madrid is not needed. Therefore, to provide a stadium with a capacity that can be filled during the games and then have a fixed use is very reasonable

Apologies, really didn't get that you were joking.

Madrid's proposal is a double-edged sword in reality. Getting a football club to build it and use it afterwards makes things easier for a host city, but harder for a bidding city.

Previous Madrid bids had a permanant athletics legacy. This is now gone, so that may harm Madrid's chances of hosting in the first place given the powerful athletics lobby within the IOC.

BTW, watch London this summer; athletics is sold-out throughout the Games. No sessions, not even the morning ones, will have blocks of empty seats, and there'll certainly never be a half-empty stadium. The IOC will be looking to build on the ticketing success of London's Games so if Madrid is to win don't mention half-empty stadiums during the Olympic athletics!

[DÁMASO]

But we must be realistic and we all know that stadiums are not filled. The Madrid Olympic Stadium will not be for athletics after it will build another smaller stage in the center of town and to leave the Olympic Stadium for football, which will use all year fixed

[Jim856796]

Out of the five bidding cities (Doha, Madrid, Tokyo, Istanbul, and Baku), only Istanbul has not submitted its application file.

[RobH]

Wrong, all cities have submitted their file.

http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic...216136097.html

Istanbul hasn't made its public yet, that's all.

[Lord David]

Which is partly the reason why Istanbul is not necessarily the strongest in the bid race at the moment. Even if they do have a technically superior bid, the lack of proper logo, failure (as of present) to reveal their bid file publicly and the largely incomplete website, is proof of this.

You can state the the tortoise and the hare story as much as you like, but people will always remember stuff like this, even members of the IOC.

[DÁMASO]

Originally Posted by Lord David

Which is partly the reason why Istanbul is not necessarily the strongest in the bid race at the moment. Even if they do have a technically superior bid, the lack of proper logo, failure (as of present) to reveal their bid file publicly and the largely incomplete website, is proof of this.

You can state the the tortoise and the hare story as much as you like, but people will always remember stuff like this, even members of the IOC.

No matter ... To the IOC is not important, will win anyway...

[RobH]

Originally Posted by Lord David

Which is partly the reason why Istanbul is not necessarily the strongest in the bid race at the moment. Even if they do have a technically superior bid, the lack of proper logo, failure (as of present) to reveal their bid file publicly and the largely incomplete website, is proof of this.

You can state the the tortoise and the hare story as much as you like, but people will always remember stuff like this, even members of the IOC.

Will they really? A credible technical plan, a strong narrative and a strong finish is what is needed; tortoise and hare is perfectly good as an analogy. Presentation a year or two out isn't going to have an effect.

Does anyone remember Barbara Cassani still (Google her if not)? Or the criticisms of some of the far-flung venues in London's applicant file?

And discussion four-years ago on forums like this and Gamesbids had Chicago as the frontrunner with lots of people questioning whether Rio would even shortlist.

I agree with a lot of your posts David, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Istanbul has big issues with regard to its venue plan if past races are anything to go by; but having a slightly naff website a year and a half out from the vote and other such trivial things won't stick in anyone's mind.

[Lord David]

If there's no need for logos and websites, then what's the point of doing such things?

It's all about the brand as well as the technical stuff, if you are selected as a Candidate, then it's mostly the brand as technically you are capable of being host at that point.

The fact that Istanbul wants to unveil their so-called logo in May during the IOC acceptance session in Quebec sort of makes a point on the unprofessional-ism of the bid.

[RobH]

At this stage Istanbul is being canny at best, tardy at worst. And I never said there was no need for logos and websites, just disagreeing with you that these late public reveals will be remembered in the final shake-up.

As I said, London had a fairly ineffective leader - in terms of lobbying - at this stage of their bid who was later replaced by Coe. London's applicant file was also criticised for having some venues out in the Home Counties rather than in London. Both these things were remedied and neither remembered by the time of the final vote, and both are much more vital than what you're criticising Istanbul for now.

I'd like to see their logo and applicant file now as well, but I don't think the fact that they're only letting the IOC see these things at this stage is really of any harm to their chances, nor is it neceassrily indicative or lack of professionalism.

[ñuto]

"Winter Games in 2014. Report by the IOC Candidature Acceptance Working Group to the IOC Excecutive Board" 28.04.2006 Page 19:
"The Jaca bid states that the Opening and Closing Ceremonies would take place in the city of Zaragoza. This is contrary to the Olympic Charter which requires that these ceremonies take place in the Host City"
http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Rep...eport_1073.pdf
Is the same case that Doha and the Lusail Stadium in Al Daayen...

[Alrayyan]

Originally Posted by ñuto

"Winter Games in 2014. Report by the IOC Candidature Acceptance Working Group to the IOC Excecutive Board" 28.04.2006 Page 19:
"The Jaca bid states that the Opening and Closing Ceremonies would take place in the city of Zaragoza. This is contrary to the Olympic Charter which requires that these ceremonies take place in the Host City"
http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Rep...eport_1073.pdf
Is the same case that Doha and the Lusail Stadium in Al Daayen...

There is no such city as aldaayen, there is only a minucipality and what ever built areas that are in it are adjacent to Doha, therefore part of Doha. The bid file Never stated it's going to be in "another city".

There are several negative points to pick on Doha, this is certainly not one of them.