The Ram Brewery | Wandsworth | 146m/114m | 39/29 fl | Public inquiry - Page 5

Republica · February 20th, 2009, 03:09 PM

Peter on London's comment had me laughing and crying at the same time!

delores · February 20th, 2009, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Cat

This appears a very poor decision to call in this project. There is no significant outcry about this project, no major protest or issue at stake. It will be a long delay, there will likely be no change resulting, and it will cost all parties including govt a lot of money - totally pointless.

And all because some 'body' has complained was it EH by any chance?. Hazel you really need to stop having public enquiry's for every tall building in this city and stop listening to your useless advisers . It's making a mockery of the planning system and is costing developers and the taxpayers silly amounts of money just to prove that a building in most cases is actually a good idea.

DarJoLe · February 23rd, 2009, 01:06 PM

Anger as Blears calls in Minerva's £1bn Ram Brewery
23 February, 2009
By Michael Willoughby

Wandsworth council leader slams decision to hold up EPR-designed regeneration scheme

The leader of Wandsworth council, Edward Lister, has slated Hazel Blears for risking investment in the south London borough after the communities secretary called in Minerva's £1bn Ram Brewery redevelopment.

“It's unbelievable that in the depths of a recession we have a government that would put at risk £1bn of investment in a suburban town centre,” said Lister after the developer announced on Friday that the EPR-designed scheme had been called in.

In a letter to the borough, Blears said that “she ought to decide herself because she considers the proposals may conflict with national policies on important matters” including building heights, landscaping, hazardous installations (the site contains gas holders) and affordable housing.

The council had approved the 1m sq ft project in December despite a Cabe review in which the government's design watchdog criticised the architectural plans for a “lack of quality”.

The development, on which EPR is lead architect, was for two towers of 42 and 32 storeys built on the site of the former Young's Brewery, along with nine other buildings including some renovation of the original brewery.

Leslie McDonnell, a conservative councillor for Wandsworth, said: “The whole development has been designed to make the most of the site's unique industrial heritage. It aims to create an attractive environment that will change for ever people's perceptions of the town centre.”

Developer Minerva had the scheme approved after pledging an extra £41m in transport improvements to the area.

It would say nothing more on the communities secretary's decision beyond confirming that it would “continue to pursue the opportunity”.

Newcastle Guy · February 23rd, 2009, 01:32 PM

OK Hazel, it's not funny anymore.

BenL · February 23rd, 2009, 01:39 PM

What's wrong? We shouldn't be unquestionably supporting big developments. The fact that there isn't enough affordable housing, that it's dangerous and that CABE think it's rubbish all seem to be good reasons for calling it in.

potto · February 23rd, 2009, 01:42 PM

true. But height as an important national policy?! I wouldnt mind quality as an important national policy!

BenL · February 23rd, 2009, 01:45 PM

Yup, I'd agree that quality should certainly take priority over height but density of development should take account of its environment. I think that Wandsworth Town could probably cope with a development of this scale but it's a question of the quality of this specific development.

Newcastle Guy · February 23rd, 2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenL

What's wrong? We shouldn't be unquestionably supporting big developments. The fact that there isn't enough affordable housing, that it's dangerous and that CABE think it's rubbish all seem to be good reasons for calling it in.

Oh come on. If this didn't have two towers as part of the proposal no one would give a flying f*ck. We all know it, no matter what crap is said. It sure as hell wouldn't go to a P.I.

london lad · October 12th, 2009, 10:37 AM

PI is set for 3rd November.

http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/info/85...all_in_inquiry

OMurphy · October 12th, 2009, 02:12 PM

Could anyone please tell me, where does the mayors office stand regarding this development? Will Boris have any say in the P.I or is it the sole decision of the communities secretary?

beleevme · October 12th, 2009, 09:53 PM

This is Minerva. They have failed twice. Please dont let this one go

mulattokid · October 13th, 2009, 09:25 PM

Is this the same Minerva that had PP for a 50 storey tower in the City and plumped for a 12 storey lump? If so, they reap the wind they sow.

***SE9*** · December 7th, 2009, 11:41 AM

Ram Brewery is 'Wandsworth's most exciting develoment since railway', inquiry hears
http://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/...inquiry_hears/
Monday 7th December 2009

By Paul Cahalan

The Ram Brewery could house the most significant collection of brewery buildings in England, the public inquiry looking into the £300m redevelopment of the historic site has heard.

But, it also heard, plans – which include creating twin towers, one 42 storeys high the other 32, as well as other commercial and residential space – could be the most exciting development since railway revolutionised the borough.

Both arguments were put before the inquiry on Friday, which is judging whether developer Minerva’s plans to revamp the historic site should go ahead.

On Friday Dale Ingram, a Tooting resident and conservation consultant, said she felt compelled to address the inquiry to save the brewery’s Grade II and Grade II* listed buildings.

She said her research showed the Ram Brewery was one of only three purpose built industrial breweries remaining in the UK.

She told the inquiry: “The significant appraisal of the Ram Brewery shows that we have, potentially, the most significant surviving collection of brewery buildings in England.”

Earlier the inquiry heard from Councillor Stuart Thom who said the project was “the most exciting thing since the Surrey Iron Railway” – which linked, in 1803, parts of south London, including Wandsworth, by rail.

He said he supported the development as the potential to create housing, jobs and retail outweighed any losses.

The inquiry earlier heard concerns about the height of the towers, the affordable housing allocation (which accounts for 11 per cent of the development), the viability of schemes to improve Wandsworth’s one-way traffic system and concerns about the loss of life should a gas holder at the north end of the site explode.

All of Wandsworth’s amenity society’s (Battersea, Wandsworth and Putney) submitted a joint objection against the plans along with the Clapham Junction Action Group.

Many, including Councillor Tony Belton, leader of the labour group in the council, Battersea MP Martin Linton – who wrote to the Communities Secretary after Wandsworth Council approved Minerva’s plan last December – and residents’ groups spoke at the inquiry.

After the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, signed off the project, Communities Secretary Hazel Blears “called-in” the decision – citing concerns with the towers’ height and affordable housing.

Leader of Wandsworth Council called the call-in decision “unbelievable”, adding that it jeopardised £600m of development.

The inquiry, which is being held at the Capital Studios in Wandsworth Plain, concludes this week after hearing three weeks of evidence.

***SE9*** · December 7th, 2009, 11:51 AM

Suggestion to change the tread title to: The Ram Brewery | Wandsworth | 146m/114m | 39/29 fl | Public inquiry

Cross-section of tower:

Team Brian GB · December 7th, 2009, 06:35 PM

Seriously if Wandsworth can handle an absolutely horrid and dated, overpowering tower block right in the centre of it and that massive tube ball thing on the south end of Wandsworth bridge then it can handle two sleek riverside skyscrapers beside the long list of highrises on the Thamesfront in that part of the world.

delores · December 7th, 2009, 08:51 PM

I agree, what's exactly wrong with this development?

wearethefuture · December 8th, 2009, 05:52 PM

Nothing that i can see (they're tall, you've had your say Hazel now FO!), they have a nice shape and are exactly what this area needs for christ sake.

beleevme · December 8th, 2009, 07:35 PM

I'm glad to see that the old chimney is staying from the brewery

Manuel · December 8th, 2009, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delores

I agree, what's exactly wrong with this development?

I haven't had a look precisely at the plans. I'm for tall slender towers close to the riverside but there may be some bad aspects to the project that we don't know. At first sight, the low rise elements look very average and don't do justice to the site nor the industrial heritage. That said, these are only comments made without knowing much of the proposed development.

capslock · December 8th, 2009, 08:40 PM

Don't mind the towers at all. Not sure about the midrise. Does anyone know what the existing brewery buildings that are being demolished are like? If they're any cop, it might be possible to combine the toers with the old buildings. Seems from some of the renders posted above that they're doing it already to a degree.

I visited the Distillery District in Toronto recently. Nice.

image hosted on flickr

Picture by Batdude on Flickr

Doesn't show the fact that modern shiny skyscrapers are popping up in the backgroud all around it. The contrast is great

February 20th, 2009, 03:09 PM	#81
Republica BUND Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 4,077 Likes (Received): 0	Peter on London's comment had me laughing and crying at the same time! __________________ Rant

February 23rd, 2009, 01:06 PM	#83
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,670 Likes (Received): 395	Anger as Blears calls in Minerva's £1bn Ram Brewery 23 February, 2009 By Michael Willoughby Wandsworth council leader slams decision to hold up EPR-designed regeneration scheme The leader of Wandsworth council, Edward Lister, has slated Hazel Blears for risking investment in the south London borough after the communities secretary called in Minerva's £1bn Ram Brewery redevelopment. “It's unbelievable that in the depths of a recession we have a government that would put at risk £1bn of investment in a suburban town centre,” said Lister after the developer announced on Friday that the EPR-designed scheme had been called in. In a letter to the borough, Blears said that “she ought to decide herself because she considers the proposals may conflict with national policies on important matters” including building heights, landscaping, hazardous installations (the site contains gas holders) and affordable housing. The council had approved the 1m sq ft project in December despite a Cabe review in which the government's design watchdog criticised the architectural plans for a “lack of quality”. The development, on which EPR is lead architect, was for two towers of 42 and 32 storeys built on the site of the former Young's Brewery, along with nine other buildings including some renovation of the original brewery. Leslie McDonnell, a conservative councillor for Wandsworth, said: “The whole development has been designed to make the most of the site's unique industrial heritage. It aims to create an attractive environment that will change for ever people's perceptions of the town centre.” Developer Minerva had the scheme approved after pledging an extra £41m in transport improvements to the area. It would say nothing more on the communities secretary's decision beyond confirming that it would “continue to pursue the opportunity”. __________________ "I can quite confidently and with pride say that if everything goes to plan London 2012 will be the best Olympic Games and will surpass Barcelona and Sydney in terms of atmosphere, style and achievement. And not just about the sport. The whole city and its people will come alive and want to be a part of this. It just feels right." DarJoLe, May 19th 2006.

October 12th, 2009, 02:12 PM	#90
OMurphy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London Posts: 98 Likes (Received): 0	Could anyone please tell me, where does the mayors office stand regarding this development? Will Boris have any say in the P.I or is it the sole decision of the communities secretary? Last edited by OMurphy; October 12th, 2009 at 05:28 PM.

October 12th, 2009, 09:53 PM	#91
beleevme DJZoneOne Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london Posts: 573 Likes (Received): 1	This is Minerva. They have failed twice. Please dont let this one go __________________ http://soundcloud.com/zoneone-1 My music :ZoneOne; Toxic mix of DNB/dubstep, electronic, industrial metal and rock

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mulattokid BLAND Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London Posts: 8,421 Likes (Received): 100	Is this the same Minerva that had PP for a 50 storey tower in the City and plumped for a 12 storey lump? If so, they reap the wind they sow. __________________ Quote: "Everything in life is our fault...but that's not our fault" (By a friend of Quentin Crisp) www.jclodge.com (my singer sisters site) The headlines read: 'another footballer is charged with sexual miscontuct'! Is it pure coincidence that a mans Scrotum resembles a brain - requisite with both hemispheres, and its truncated spinal cord - always in search of sensation? (Mark Joseph 2008)

February 23rd, 2009, 01:32 PM	#84
Newcastle Guy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 8,957 Likes (Received): 18	OK Hazel, it's not funny anymore.

February 23rd, 2009, 01:39 PM	#85
BenL Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, London Posts: 1,644 Likes (Received): 0	What's wrong? We shouldn't be unquestionably supporting big developments. The fact that there isn't enough affordable housing, that it's dangerous and that CABE think it's rubbish all seem to be good reasons for calling it in.

February 23rd, 2009, 01:42 PM	#86
potto Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 13,503 Likes (Received): 251	true. But height as an important national policy?! I wouldnt mind quality as an important national policy!

February 23rd, 2009, 01:45 PM	#87
BenL Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, London Posts: 1,644 Likes (Received): 0	Yup, I'd agree that quality should certainly take priority over height but density of development should take account of its environment. I think that Wandsworth Town could probably cope with a development of this scale but it's a question of the quality of this specific development.

October 12th, 2009, 10:37 AM	#89
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,155 Likes (Received): 45	PI is set for 3rd November. http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/info/85...all_in_inquiry

December 7th, 2009, 11:41 AM	#93
*SE9* South East Nine Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South London Posts: 16,977 Likes (Received): 914	Ram Brewery is 'Wandsworth's most exciting develoment since railway', inquiry hears http://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/...inquiry_hears/ Monday 7th December 2009 By Paul Cahalan The Ram Brewery could house the most significant collection of brewery buildings in England, the public inquiry looking into the £300m redevelopment of the historic site has heard. But, it also heard, plans – which include creating twin towers, one 42 storeys high the other 32, as well as other commercial and residential space – could be the most exciting development since railway revolutionised the borough. Both arguments were put before the inquiry on Friday, which is judging whether developer Minerva’s plans to revamp the historic site should go ahead. On Friday Dale Ingram, a Tooting resident and conservation consultant, said she felt compelled to address the inquiry to save the brewery’s Grade II and Grade II* listed buildings. She said her research showed the Ram Brewery was one of only three purpose built industrial breweries remaining in the UK. She told the inquiry: “The significant appraisal of the Ram Brewery shows that we have, potentially, the most significant surviving collection of brewery buildings in England.” Earlier the inquiry heard from Councillor Stuart Thom who said the project was “the most exciting thing since the Surrey Iron Railway” – which linked, in 1803, parts of south London, including Wandsworth, by rail. He said he supported the development as the potential to create housing, jobs and retail outweighed any losses. The inquiry earlier heard concerns about the height of the towers, the affordable housing allocation (which accounts for 11 per cent of the development), the viability of schemes to improve Wandsworth’s one-way traffic system and concerns about the loss of life should a gas holder at the north end of the site explode. All of Wandsworth’s amenity society’s (Battersea, Wandsworth and Putney) submitted a joint objection against the plans along with the Clapham Junction Action Group. Many, including Councillor Tony Belton, leader of the labour group in the council, Battersea MP Martin Linton – who wrote to the Communities Secretary after Wandsworth Council approved Minerva’s plan last December – and residents’ groups spoke at the inquiry. After the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, signed off the project, Communities Secretary Hazel Blears “called-in” the decision – citing concerns with the towers’ height and affordable housing. Leader of Wandsworth Council called the call-in decision “unbelievable”, adding that it jeopardised £600m of development. The inquiry, which is being held at the Capital Studios in Wandsworth Plain, concludes this week after hearing three weeks of evidence. __________________ SE9's photos on flickr

December 7th, 2009, 11:51 AM	#94
*SE9* South East Nine Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South London Posts: 16,977 Likes (Received): 914	Suggestion to change the tread title to: The Ram Brewery \| Wandsworth \| 146m/114m \| 39/29 fl \| Public inquiry Cross-section of tower: __________________ SE9's photos on flickr Last edited by SE9; December 7th, 2009 at 12:08 PM.

December 7th, 2009, 06:35 PM	#95
Team Brian GB Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 161 Likes (Received): 0	Seriously if Wandsworth can handle an absolutely horrid and dated, overpowering tower block right in the centre of it and that massive tube ball thing on the south end of Wandsworth bridge then it can handle two sleek riverside skyscrapers beside the long list of highrises on the Thamesfront in that part of the world.

December 7th, 2009, 08:51 PM	#96
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,564 Likes (Received): 25	I agree, what's exactly wrong with this development?

December 8th, 2009, 05:52 PM	#97
wearethefuture ℒỗἡḑớἢ Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Posts: 655 Likes (Received): 2	Nothing that i can see (they're tall, you've had your say Hazel now FO!), they have a nice shape and are exactly what this area needs for christ sake.

December 8th, 2009, 07:35 PM	#98
beleevme DJZoneOne Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london Posts: 573 Likes (Received): 1	I'm glad to see that the old chimney is staying from the brewery

December 8th, 2009, 08:40 PM	#100
capslock Ho hum Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 1,995 Likes (Received): 104	Don't mind the towers at all. Not sure about the midrise. Does anyone know what the existing brewery buildings that are being demolished are like? If they're any cop, it might be possible to combine the toers with the old buildings. Seems from some of the renders posted above that they're doing it already to a degree. I visited the Distillery District in Toronto recently. Nice. image hosted on flickr Picture by Batdude on Flickr Doesn't show the fact that modern shiny skyscrapers are popping up in the backgroud all around it. The contrast is great __________________ Natarsid, natarsid! Ma hame ba ham hastim!

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