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Old December 2nd, 2010, 08:45 AM   #1521
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Posted: 02 December 2010 1126 hrs

SYDNEY: Australian officials probing a Qantas A380 engine blast last month reported a "critical safety issue" with the Rolls-Royce unit on Thursday that they said could lead to "catastrophic engine failure".

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau said a misaligned component had thinned the wall of an oil pipe in the exploded engine, causing "fatigue cracking" that prompted leakage and a fire "central to the engine failure".

"This condition could lead to an elevated risk of fatigue crack initiation and growth, oil leakage and potential catastrophic engine failure from a resulting oil fire," the ATSB said, noting it was "understood to be related to the manufacturing process."

The Bureau issued a directive urging Rolls-Royce to "address the safety issue and take actions necessary to ensure the safety of flight operations in transport aircraft equipped with Rolls-Royce Trent 900 series engines."

Qantas said it would immediately conduct further engine investigations as a result of the findings, but stressed it was just a precautionary measure and "there is no immediate risk to flight safety."

"Qantas currently has two A380 aircraft in operational service, following the grounding of the fleet on 4 November. Both A380 aircraft will be inspected at the Qantas Jet Base in Sydney," the airline said.

"Inspections will commence this afternoon."

The flagship carrier said it would determine whether further action would need to be taken after inspections were complete and it had consulted both Rolls-Royce and regulators.

"Qantas does not anticipate at this stage that the inspections will have an impact on international services. However contingency arrangements will be in place, if needed," it said.

The findings come just five days after Qantas resumed A380 flights, though the carrier has barred the superjumbo from trans-Pacific trips to Los Angeles due to the extra engine thrust required.

It had grounded all six of its Airbus superjumbos after the November 4 blast over the Indonesian island of Batam, which forced an A380 to return to Singapore airport trailing smoke.

Checks revealed problems with 16 of the total 24 Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines powering Qantas's A380s -- four per plane -- meaning the turbines would have to be replaced or modified.

Qantas chief Alan Joyce on Saturday said he was "100 percent comfortable" with the A380s' operation.

Australia's national carrier has never suffered a fatal crash in the jet age.

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Qantas can sue Rolls on engines
3 December 2010
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QANTAS has reserved its right to take legal action against Rolls-Royce under the Australian Trade Practices Act after investigators traced last month's A380 engine failure near Singapore to a badly manufactured oil tube.

The airline yesterday filed a statement of claim and was granted an injunction by the Federal Court it said would ensure that it could pursue legal action against Rolls-Royce ``if a commercial settlement is not possible''.

While Qantas is still hoping for a negotiated deal, it said the action allowed it to keep all options open to recover losses as a result of the grounding of the A380 fleet.

Analysts have estimated this could be worth between $26 million and $60m -- in addition to the $US70m ($72.4m) that one insurance company has predicted it will cost to fix the plane.

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce was not putting a figure on the debacle yesterday, saying the damage was ongoing and uncertainty remained about when the remaining aircraft would get back in the air.

But he said there was cost in keeping six aircraft on the ground with their crews as well as a loss in revenue because of the 5 per cent cut in capacity and brand issues. The Qantas legal move comes as questions remain about what Rolls-Royce knew about problems in the engines, which have since been modified twice, but failed to tell the airlines.

It also coincided with an Australian Transport Safety Bureau safety alert issued after investigators determined an oil leak that led to a damaging fire inside the engine most likely stemmed from fatigue cracking in the thin side of an unevenly bored oil tube.

The fire caused superheating in the turbine disc area, which led to the disintegration of the intermediate pressure turbine disc and resulted in substantial damage to the plane. While investigators are yet to describe the cracked tube as the smoking gun, they say it is ``a realistic possibility'' that it caused the engine's disintegration.

They were also sufficiently concerned about the safety implications and the possibility of another catastrophic failure to quickly issue the alert, which was immediately translated into an airworthiness directive by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

The fear is that there is batch of flawed oil tubes on the earliest ``A-version'' Trent 900 engines produced by Rolls-Royce and that an intermediate group B-version that received some modifications may also have them. The latest C engines to come off the production line are known not to be affected.

``The A-version is likely to have at least some of these problems,'' ATSB chief commissioner Martin Dolan said. ``The B-version probably doesn't but we don't have enough assurance that there isn't; the C-version doesn't have this problem.''

Qantas is no longer flying A-version engines and is concentrating its immediate efforts on the B engines on its two operating A380s. Mr Joyce said the tests took about an hour for each engine and the airline was using a three-dimensional borescope to check for the skewed oil pipes. He said it should have the results for the two aircraft overnight and would then proceed with testing of engines on the still-grounded planes.

``If we find a problem, that engine won't fly,'' he said.

Mr Joyce said Qantas would continue checks every 20 flights to look for signs of leaking oil and cracks. He said it would be unusual for a misaligned oil tube to be a one-off because manufacturing was machine-driven. He believed it was likely there was a batch of problem pipes.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 06:02 PM   #1523
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Handlers' go-slow on Qantas one-bag policy
2 December 2010
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BAGGAGE handlers are at greater risk of injury from Qantas' new policy restricting passengers to a single bag, and are entitled to go slow, their union says.

The Transport Workers Union says the workers are planning the go-slow over the busy Christmas period.

The new Qantas policy encourages travellers to pack one heavy bag instead of two lighter ones.

The almost 80 baggage handlers working for the airline at Adelaide Airport are part of a nationwide push to avoid further instances of manual handling and back injuries that the TWU is worried about under new check-in rules by Qantas.

On any domestic flight booked from now, for travel from June next year, passengers are being told they can check in only one bag, up to 23kg. Any additional bag checked in for the flight will attract a penalty payment.

At present, a passenger can check in several bags.

Scott Connelly, national airlines officer at the TWU, told The Advertiser yesterday a passenger until now might have two bags to check in, for example one of 11kg and a second of 12kg.

``Instead they will put everything in one bag and that's 22 or 23kg,'' he said.

``The recognised level of safe lifting is 16kg.''

He denied that union members were on a ``go-slow'' industrial action. ``We are going to work safe,'' he said. ``Our members will check bag tags and look for `heavy' tags.

``It's not industrial (protest) action. It's working safely and if it takes longer (to do the work), so be it.''

A Qantas spokeswoman said the airline was moving into line with common practice.

``Most of our customers already travel with one bag,'' she said.
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From the flight problem that wont go away. The list of warnings sounds interesting.. imagine them all going off at the same time. Check out the pictures too.


Flight cam captured A380 drama, Australian Transport Safety Bureau report reveals
By Kate Schneider , From: news.com.au , December 03, 2010 3:36PM , 5 comments
http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/f...-1225965266487


Damage in upper section of the left wing
  • Passenger saw fluid leaking from wing
  • Alerted flight crew to the issue
  • Potential design fault in Rolls-Royce engines
A PASSENGER on troubled QF32 alerted flight crew to fluid leaking from the plane's wing after spotting it on the in-flight entertainment unit, air safety investigators have revealed.

The Sydney-bound flight was travelling over Indonesia on November 4 when it was forced to return to Singapore after the failure of one of its Rolls-Royce-built Trent 900 engines.

The passenger, a pilot for the operator, brought a crew member’s attention to the issue, which was captured by a camera mounted on the plane.

In pictures: QF32 damage

The crew member then went down to the lower deck on the left side of the aircraft and saw fluid leaking from the damaged wing. He noted that the fluid trail was about half a metre wide and proceeded to alert other members of the flight crew as they dealt with multiple system warnings.

Some of the warnings that sounded:
  • Landing gear control and indicator warnings
  • Multiple brake system messages
  • Wing slats inoperative
  • Multiple fuel system messages, including a fuel jettison fault
  • Left wing pneumatic bleed leaks
  • Avionics system overheat
  • Centre of gravity messages
  • Flight controls – ailerons partial control only
  • Flight controls – reduced spoiler control
  • Autothrust and autoland inoperative
  • Engines No 1 and 4 operating in a degraded mode
  • Flight controls operating in alternate law
  • Hydraulic system – low system pressure and low fluid level
  • Hydraulic system – engine No 4 pump errors
  • Failure of the alternating current (AC) electrical No 1 and 2 bus systems8
  • Engine anti-ice and air data sensor messages
  • No 1 engine generator drive disconnected
Air safety investigators release report

The revelation comes due to the release of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau's initial report into the November 4 incident.

It was found to be the result of "an uncontained engine failure'', which saw a loose disc shear through the left wing and other parts of the aircraft, resulting in structural and systems damage.

"The initial assessment was that the most likely cause of the engine failure was problems with the release of oil into a particular part of the engine, leading to an oil fire and consequences finally in the liberation of the disc elements,'' Australian Transport Safety Bureau chief commissioner Martin Dolan said.

"That was initially responded to by ensuring there were regular inspections for oil leakages in the ... engine in the Airbus 380. "And on that basis with caution continued operations were seen as acceptable.''

The report also outlines a number of areas for further investigation including additional examination of the turbine disc and other engine components, onboard recorded information, damage to the aircraft and its systems, and of the response by flight, cabin and emergency services crews.

Further A380 checks needed

Mr Dolan said there had been extra checks over the past 48 hours involving Rolls Royce, which led to an official safety recommendation yesterday.

"(We) determined there was a particular problem that at that stage not been identified and we therefore yesterday issued a safety recommendation in relation to that issue, which was essentially ... potential manufacturing defects in oil pipes in a number of Trent 900 series engines, which have the potential to lead to fatigue, cracking, the liberation of oil and the sort of things that happened in the incident over Batam Island.''

Qantas grounded its entire A380 fleet after the incident and says that sixteen engines require either modification to the latest standard or full replacement. Five of these have already been replaced.

It had recently returned two planes to the skies but was forced to conduct one-off inspections on both the aircraft following the safety warning. The first plane has since resumed service and inspection of the second aircraft has commenced.

The airline said that no issues outlined by air safety investigators have been found and the first plane will operate to London via Singapore tonight as scheduled.

Qantas will continue to operate a full international and domestic schedule and expects to announce the return to service of more A380s before Christmas.

“After discussions with the Australian Transport and Safety Bureau (ATSB) and Rolls-Royce, it was decided it was prudent to conduct further inspections of engine components, although there is no immediate risk to flight safety,” Qantas said.

Plane was a 'flying wreck'

Mr Dolan said it was impossible to say how close QF32 came to disaster following the explosion. But the chief commissioner said when pieces of an engine turbine were released "the consequences are very serious". "The most serious damage (to QF32) in terms of scale was the result of one significant part of the turbine disc going directly through the wing of the aircraft," Mr Dolan said.

There was also damage to wiring in the wing.

As a result, the slats of the aircraft couldn't be deployed for landing and there were "limitations" on the information the crew received regarding nose-wheel steering.

Turbine fragments flew out of the QF32’s engine when it exploded in mid-air last month, severing cables in the wing, narrowly missing the fuel tank and taking out flight control systems, a preliminary report by Airbus found.

The pilots were forced to deal with an "unprecedented" number of issues during the two-hour ordeal, Vice President of the Australian and International Pilots Association, Richard Woodward, said.

The airline has been granted an injunction by the Federal Court of Australia to sue Rolls-Royce over the losses it suffered due to the A380 engine issues.

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Low fares leader Jetstar and Japan Airlines will continue and expand their codeshare arrangement on the important Australia-Japan route following regulatory approval of its extension of the arrangements for a further two years.
The renewed agreement, introduced in 2007 onto some of Jetstar long haul markets between Australia and Japan, will extend for the first time across the entirety of Jetstar’s Australia-Japan route offering.

Jetstar daily markets of Cairns-Tokyo (Narita) and Gold Coast-Osaka (Kansai) along with Cairns-Osaka (four per week) are complemented by first time coverage of the codeshare arrangement on its daily Gold Coast-Tokyo (Narita) service. It commences on Jetstar’s Gold Coast to Tokyo and Osaka services from 25 November 2010.

As the largest operator on the Australia-Japan route, a top five Australian tourism export market, Jetstar maintains access to Japan Airlines’ distribution capability, wholesale and large retail presence in Japan.

Jetstar Group Chief Executive Officer Bruce Buchanan said the airline was pleased to extend its codeshare arrangement with Japan Airlines whilst further broadening it to new flying.

“This outcome is of both strategic importance to the Qantas Group and Australian tourism, allowing Jetstar to better leverage our existing strong brand presence in Japan by partnering with the distribution capability, wholesale and retail presence of Japan Airlines in their home market,” Mr Buchanan said.

“As the largest operator and single biggest investor in marketing Australia-Japan flying today, Jetstar’s relevance with Japanese consumers will only be strengthened by delivering greater choice for them to access affordable overseas travel experiences. During our first year of these services more than 1 in 5 of our Japanese customers were first time international flyers.

“In the past three years Jetstar has invested over AUD$80 million in marketing Jetstar low fare flying from Japan to Australia and increasingly across Asia under our pan Asian strategy. Our partnership with Japan Airlines is a further enabler to supporting these sustainable operations for Australian tourism.”

Mr Buchanan acknowledged the advocacy and support provided by the Queensland tourism industry headed by Tourism Queensland as well as regional tourism authorities and airports in Gold Coast and Cairns to the continuation and expansion of the commercial arrangement.

Japan Airlines customers can purchase a full economy product on Jetstar including Japanese style meals, unlimited soft drinks and hot beverages, in-flight video and music entertainment, along with generous baggage allowances with connections to onward Qantas Group flights. Japanese speaking crew and Japanese language content for in-flight entertainment are also offered on Jetstar.

Jetstar operates up to 25 weekly return international flights between Australia and Japan, utilizing its fleet of two-class A330-200 aircraft including StarClass, Jetstar’s international business class.

A Qantas codeshare arrangement will remain on Jetstar’s Australia-Japan services with its low fare offerings also available at Jetstar.com.

Jetstar Group CEO, Bruce Buchanan; Regional General Manager Japan, Masaru Kataoka; and Jetstar ambassador Becky.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 06:09 PM   #1526
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Only 80 passengers on an A380?

finally passengers have room to move in economy.

Qantas court blast over Rolls-Royce engine rules
By Geoff Easdown and Ben Packham , From: Herald Sun , December 04, 2010 12:00AM
http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/q...-1225965489803
  • New rules imposed on Qantas
  • Superjumbos reduced to carrying 80 passengers
QANTAS is alleging in a multi-million-dollar damages claim against Rolls-Royce that it could now carry only 80 passengers across the Pacific in its Airbus 380s, under new operating rules for their troubled engines.

The airline states in Federal Court papers that it bought the Airbus superjumbos because they would carry 450 passengers and a payload of 60,900kg from Australia to Los Angeles.

But the new rules imposed by Rolls-Royce since one of its Trent 900 engines exploded on a Qantas A380 near Singapore last month mean that the world's biggest passenger jet is not a commercial proposition on the airline's Australia-US route.

Qantas, which has suspended the route, has asked for damages and costs.

The national carrier is also seeking a declaration from the court ordering the UK engine maker to fund a $1 million credit note relating to a guarantee against "uncontained engine failure" - to stop engine parts perforating the outer shield of an engine.

Rolls-Royce is accused of negligence and breach of contract.

Qantas says in its statement of claim that Rolls-Royce continued to modify the Trent 900 engine, but left 23 engines on its big jets unmodified. At the time of the Singapore incident only one engine had been modified.

Meanwhile the nation's top air safety investigator has lauded pilots who landed the faulty Qantas Airbus in Singapore, saying they saved the lives of all the 469 people on board QF32 on November 4.

A preliminary report yesterday confirmed an oil leak as the most likely cause of last month's Qantas A380 engine failure over Indonesia's Batam Island. The leak caused pieces of the Rolls-Royce engine to shear off, penetrating the aircraft's left wing and sections of the fuselage.

Capt Richard Champion de Crespigny and the four other officers safely landed the aircraft under the power of its remaining engines.

ATSB chief commissioner Martin Dolan said the cool-headed reaction of the pilots prevented a catastrophic accident.

"The aircraft would not have arrived safely in Singapore without the focused and effective action of the flight crew," he said.

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With delivery of new aircraft delayed, Qantas is retaining planes that might have been retired...
http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...203-18jd8.html
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2 December 2010
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BAGGAGE handlers are at greater risk of injury from Qantas' new policy restricting passengers to a single bag, and are entitled to go slow, their union says.

The Transport Workers Union says the workers are planning the go-slow over the busy Christmas period.

The new Qantas policy encourages travellers to pack one heavy bag instead of two lighter ones.

The almost 80 baggage handlers working for the airline at Adelaide Airport are part of a nationwide push to avoid further instances of manual handling and back injuries that the TWU is worried about under new check-in rules by Qantas.

On any domestic flight booked from now, for travel from June next year, passengers are being told they can check in only one bag, up to 23kg. Any additional bag checked in for the flight will attract a penalty payment.

At present, a passenger can check in several bags.

Scott Connelly, national airlines officer at the TWU, told The Advertiser yesterday a passenger until now might have two bags to check in, for example one of 11kg and a second of 12kg.

``Instead they will put everything in one bag and that's 22 or 23kg,'' he said.

``The recognised level of safe lifting is 16kg.''

He denied that union members were on a ``go-slow'' industrial action. ``We are going to work safe,'' he said. ``Our members will check bag tags and look for `heavy' tags.

``It's not industrial (protest) action. It's working safely and if it takes longer (to do the work), so be it.''

A Qantas spokeswoman said the airline was moving into line with common practice.

``Most of our customers already travel with one bag,'' she said.
How silly. The generally accepted limit is 23kg, which is why on many airlines bags over 23kg cannot be checked in or are subjected to extra charges to pay for '2 man lift' and if I am not mistaken the heavy bag tags get applied and have been applied for many many years on all bags over 23kg anyway.

My take on this one is with a bag limit the overall number of bags will drop meaning less baggage handlers required meaning less members for the union.
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Old December 5th, 2010, 12:24 PM   #1529
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http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...203-18jd8.html
I want the 747SP back again. But alas it has been cut-up
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My QF A380 flight has been changed!
I have to make do with the 747 now, at least I will get to ride them before they get retired
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By the sound of Joninbrisbane's article, there will be plenty of time to get one last ride in both Qantas' 767s and 747s.
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What will replace the 747's out of BNE? A380 or B787?
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Passing through SIN yesterday.. 7 of their 9 A380's on the ground.. I noticed on two that i could see that the RR decals on the engines had been removed!

came home on VH-OQF.. but went up to LHR with EK via Dubai on A380's. Did a go around into Dubai which was interesting.. Pilot admitted a too high approach!.. My first time at DBX.. at 6AM the place is packed..
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I know they take food hygene seriously but this is a little too effective ... hope they dont clean the airplanes with this stuff.

Chemical scare at Qantas catering site
AAP December 06, 2010 10:12AM
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Q catering at the Qantas jet base has been evacuated / Ella Pellegrini
  • Eight hospitalised after chemical scare
  • Hundreds evacuated from Qantas catering building
  • Chemical believed to be floor treatment product

EIGHT people have been taken to hospital after they were exposed to chemical fumes at a Qantas building in southern Sydney.

Fire and ambulance crews were called when a strong odour was detected throughout the five-storey Qantas catering building near Mascot airport soon after 7.30am (AEDT) today.

About 400 people were evacuated as a precaution after vapours from a floor treatment product used on level five spread through the air-conditioning system to levels three and four, NSW Fire Brigades Superintendent Ian Krimmer said.

Level four of the building was later declared safe and workers were allowed back onto that floor, but levels three and five were still being kept clear at 10am (AEDT) while further air sampling was undertaken.

An NSW Ambulance spokesman said people affected by the fumes were experiencing eye irritation and nausea.

New South Wales Fire Brigade superintendent Ian Krimmer said the odour was believed to be from a floor treatment product.

"At this stage it is believed to be a floor treatment product, the vapours of which have gone through the building as a result of air conditioning," he said.

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I want the 747SP back again. But alas it has been cut-up
Qantas actually had 2 of them, but yeah they have both been hacked to pieces.

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Wouldn't mind betting more frequent 787 services eventually. That's a long way off, the 747-400ER's will be around for a long while yet.
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Yeah I read from the Australian Aviation magazine that they are retaining 9 747's (the ER's and youngest 747-400's) for routes to Johannesburg, San Fransisco and South America for quite a while yet. At least 2020 anyway.
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Steve Creedy | From: The Australian | December 07, 2010 | 6:35AM

UPDATE 11.53am: JETSTAR has promised to review its policies after telling a family it would have to pay a $600 penalty fee to fly earlier when their baby died.

Yesterday the budget airline had demanded that a distraught family whose baby died of SIDS during a holiday on the Gold Coast pay more than $600 to return a day early to Sydney.

The family of five was spending a week's holiday at the tourist destination when the infant died suddenly, The Australian reported.

They were due to return to Sydney today.

When the four remaining members of the family tried to change their bookings to return home yesterday, they were told they would require proof the baby had died or they would be forced to pay the difference in fares and change fees upfront.

Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway said today the airline would re-examine its policies as a result of the incident.

“We’re going to take on board and see if there’s a better way of managing such a situation so that everyone feels that care has been shown,” he said.

The company has also offered a full refund to the family.

Mr Westaway today described the incident as a “tragic set of circumstances”.

Relative Barry Phillips, who travelled to Queensland to accompany the family back to Sydney, said the four family members had to pay more than $160 each.

"They reckon they needed to prove that the baby died to change their flight," he said.

Mr Phillips said he believed the airline should make it easier for bereaved people to change their flights.

A Jetstar spokeswoman also said last night the family would be fully reimbursed for the fare difference and the change fees.

"We deeply sympathise with our passengers in such situations and seek to be as flexible and accommodating as possible," she said.

"If documentation is unable to be provided at the time, change fees and fare difference applies. However, the amount is fully reimbursed once the documentation is provided."

The spokeswoman said the airline would contact the family.

Jetstar also provides a voucher to passengers no longer able to travel for the amount of the fare originally purchased.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 11:10 AM   #1538
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Yeah I read from the Australian Aviation magazine that they are retaining 9 747's (the ER's and youngest 747-400's) for routes to Johannesburg, San Fransisco and South America for quite a while yet. At least 2020 anyway.
That certainly makes sense, except maybe the SFO route. If a 787 can make the range, I could see that moving into that mission. The A380 is too big for JNB and EZE, which need a 4 engined jet to be meet the optimum ETOPS requirements, so the 747 still has a valuable role into those markets.
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Old December 8th, 2010, 05:00 PM   #1539
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Or just pay the tiny amount of money for domestic travel insurance and be specifically covered for these sorts of events.

I'm sure it's a terrible experience to have to deal with a tragedy when on holiday but airlines have rules about flight change/cancellation and they should be lucky that Jetstar is willing to make an exception at all.
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Old December 8th, 2010, 05:31 PM   #1540
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another near miss, again.

Source: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225967971325

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Qantas jet in Melbourne airport near miss drama
Nathan Mawby, From: Herald Sun December 09, 2010 1:14AM

A NEAR miss in the skies above Melbourne airport on Sunday involved a Qantas jet.

QF438 took off in the early afternoon and came within 300ft of another jet’s altitude, Virgin Blue flight DJ331, shortly after take-off.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau classed it as a serious incident with the planes only separated by about 3500m horizontally and less than 100m vertically.

A Qantas spokeswoman said the incident would be referred to the ATSB for further investigation, but didn't believe its 767 had been at risk of a mid-air collision. “The aircraft did not present any immediate flight safety issue,'' the spokeswoman said. “(the) crew observed all air traffic control instructions at all times and had visual contact with the other aircraft at all times.''

A cockpit alert, a warning system that notifies pilots evasive action is required if another aircraft comes too close, was not triggered in the incident.

A spokeswoman for Virgin Blue said they were co-operating fully with the ATSB investigation.
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