Seattle, Greenlake Condo Projects - Page 4

alexjonlin · October 5th, 2012, 01:39 AM

I do think it's too bad, though, that all of the oriental medicine things around there are slowly going away. Not that I'm into that kind of stuff, but it made the neighborhood interesting - I once heard that the NE 65th corridor had one of the highest concentrations of oriental medicine providers in the country, although that statistic is completely unverified.

BoulderGrad · October 5th, 2012, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by alexjonlin

I do think it's too bad, though, that all of the oriental medicine things around there are slowly going away. Not that I'm into that kind of stuff, but it made the neighborhood interesting - I once heard that the NE 65th corridor had one of the highest concentrations of oriental medicine providers in the country, although that statistic is completely unverified.

I dunno, that's like saying "Its a shame we're losing all our snake oil salesmen" to me. No sweat off my back. Perhaps that's the engineer/scientist in me talking

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BoulderGrad · November 16th, 2012, 11:26 PM

902 NE6th: http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/AppDocs/G...endaID4175.pdf

Big development in Roosevelt.

alexjonlin · November 17th, 2012, 03:43 AM

I know these are just early massing studies, but I'm not liking the alternatives that much... make it interesting, put in setbacks and vary the facade a little more. The street-level part looks good though, I like how the sidewalk is extended under the upper floors.

mhays · November 17th, 2012, 04:36 AM

I disagree. We need streetwalls. It ought to be possible to build Paris here.

alexjonlin · November 17th, 2012, 06:10 AM

I think it still functions well as a streetwall, it looks like the area underneath the awnings is meant to be used for sidewalk cafes and for people to stand when it's raining.

mSeattle · November 17th, 2012, 10:45 PM

I don't have a probalem with street walls. I have a probablem with the kind we're building, flat (maybe a cutout here or there) and uninteresting. Dull colors, nearly unoticable accents/ornamentation, lack of interesting geometry, history/story/geographic context...

BoulderGrad · November 17th, 2012, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mSeattle

I don't have a probalem with street walls. I have a probablem with the kind we're building, flat (maybe a cutout here or there) and uninteresting. Dull colors, nearly unoticable accents/ornamentation, lack of interesting geometry, history/story/geographic context...

Little unfair to ask for "History" from a new building

mSeattle · November 17th, 2012, 11:26 PM

I mean historic reference.

testdrive · November 18th, 2012, 01:26 AM

What was that word in the video in the SLU thread, porosity was it I think. I have to admit I am tired of the 6 story up to the sidewalk sameness that is being built everywhere.
Density is great but come on these developers ought to be thinking about what creates environs that draw people and make them want to interact with each other. This is just another cost efficient building that will maximize profit then on to the next. Some creative use of footprint along with creative zoning and code regulations could go a long way in having neighborhoods that will stand the test of time and continue to provide desirable living areas. I don't think it would be cost prohibitive for some bigger setbacks, smaller blocks, more pocket parks, some ornamentation and variety of materials.

mhays · November 18th, 2012, 02:00 AM

Basically they can be cost-prohibitive. Any developer that wants to survive, let alone profit, is going to maximize their financial equation. With Seattle's zoning, that typically means maximizing space within the site's constraints, and not spending too much on things that don't pay off, like geometry.

I wish we didn't force modulated facades etc., which diminish the street wall and force architectural variation within a building.

bgwah · November 18th, 2012, 03:04 AM

I think modulation is ugly more often than not.

CityView Jim · November 18th, 2012, 06:55 AM

One of the obvious exceptions is Amazon. They realize the value of open spaces for their employees - so much that not only were their buildings designed as such, and then they even bought the buildings.

mhays · November 18th, 2012, 07:30 AM

Like the others, they're maximizing square footage under the zoning.

mSeattle · November 20th, 2012, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mhays

Basically they can be cost-prohibitive. Any developer that wants to survive, let alone profit, is going to maximize their financial equation. With Seattle's zoning, that typically means maximizing space within the site's constraints, and not spending too much on things that don't pay off, like geometry.

Are these designs illegal in the local code?

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mhays · November 20th, 2012, 04:15 AM

They're legal. Just very hard to make pencil.

mSeattle · November 20th, 2012, 04:30 AM

Maybe some of these companies need to merge so they can afford to build better product.

mhays · November 20th, 2012, 06:09 AM

I'm not following. Developer organizations tend to be pretty lean.

Either way, that sort of savings would rarely go to making less-viabile projects slightly more viable.

Ruffhauser · November 20th, 2012, 06:21 AM

If anyone is over near Green Lake anytime soon, I'd like to see some updated photos of the Vitamilk site development.

mSeattle · November 20th, 2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mhays

I'm not following. Developer organizations tend to be pretty lean.

Either way, that sort of savings would rarely go to making less-viabile projects slightly more viable.

If that can't get us more sophisticated urban-looking designs what can? Enough with the tin and wood sheds on steroids.

November 16th, 2012, 11:26 PM	#63
BoulderGrad Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,357 Likes (Received): 39	902 NE6th: http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/AppDocs/G...endaID4175.pdf Big development in Roosevelt. __________________ My shrink once said to me: "Maybe life isn't for everyone..."

November 17th, 2012, 10:45 PM	#67
mSeattle Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 807 Likes (Received): 11	I don't have a probalem with street walls. I have a probablem with the kind we're building, flat (maybe a cutout here or there) and uninteresting. Dull colors, nearly unoticable accents/ornamentation, lack of interesting geometry, history/story/geographic context... __________________ *Too Much DOUBT - Troy Davis ExecutionYOU are Commander In Chief* of your body. Remember Bradley Manning.**

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mSeattle Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 807 Likes (Received): 11	I mean historic reference. __________________ *Too Much DOUBT - Troy Davis ExecutionYOU are Commander In Chief* of your body. Remember Bradley Manning.**

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mSeattle Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 807 Likes (Received): 11	Maybe some of these companies need to merge so they can afford to build better product. __________________ *Too Much DOUBT - Troy Davis ExecutionYOU are Commander In Chief* of your body. Remember Bradley Manning.**

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October 5th, 2012, 01:39 AM	#61
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,254 Likes (Received): 82	I do think it's too bad, though, that all of the oriental medicine things around there are slowly going away. Not that I'm into that kind of stuff, but it made the neighborhood interesting - I once heard that the NE 65th corridor had one of the highest concentrations of oriental medicine providers in the country, although that statistic is completely unverified.

November 17th, 2012, 03:43 AM	#64
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,254 Likes (Received): 82	I know these are just early massing studies, but I'm not liking the alternatives that much... make it interesting, put in setbacks and vary the facade a little more. The street-level part looks good though, I like how the sidewalk is extended under the upper floors.

November 17th, 2012, 04:36 AM	#65
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,359 Likes (Received): 116	I disagree. We need streetwalls. It ought to be possible to build Paris here.

November 17th, 2012, 06:10 AM	#66
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,254 Likes (Received): 82	I think it still functions well as a streetwall, it looks like the area underneath the awnings is meant to be used for sidewalk cafes and for people to stand when it's raining.

November 18th, 2012, 01:26 AM	#70
testdrive Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Bend Posts: 861 Likes (Received): 17	What was that word in the video in the SLU thread, porosity was it I think. I have to admit I am tired of the 6 story up to the sidewalk sameness that is being built everywhere. Density is great but come on these developers ought to be thinking about what creates environs that draw people and make them want to interact with each other. This is just another cost efficient building that will maximize profit then on to the next. Some creative use of footprint along with creative zoning and code regulations could go a long way in having neighborhoods that will stand the test of time and continue to provide desirable living areas. I don't think it would be cost prohibitive for some bigger setbacks, smaller blocks, more pocket parks, some ornamentation and variety of materials.

November 18th, 2012, 02:00 AM	#71
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,359 Likes (Received): 116	Basically they can be cost-prohibitive. Any developer that wants to survive, let alone profit, is going to maximize their financial equation. With Seattle's zoning, that typically means maximizing space within the site's constraints, and not spending too much on things that don't pay off, like geometry. I wish we didn't force modulated facades etc., which diminish the street wall and force architectural variation within a building.

November 18th, 2012, 03:04 AM	#72
bgwah honk!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,734 Likes (Received): 76	I think modulation is ugly more often than not.

November 18th, 2012, 06:55 AM	#73
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,949 Likes (Received): 61	One of the obvious exceptions is Amazon. They realize the value of open spaces for their employees - so much that not only were their buildings designed as such, and then they even bought the buildings.

November 18th, 2012, 07:30 AM	#74
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,359 Likes (Received): 116	Like the others, they're maximizing square footage under the zoning.

November 20th, 2012, 04:15 AM	#76
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,359 Likes (Received): 116	They're legal. Just very hard to make pencil.

November 20th, 2012, 06:09 AM	#78
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,359 Likes (Received): 116	I'm not following. Developer organizations tend to be pretty lean. Either way, that sort of savings would rarely go to making less-viabile projects slightly more viable.

November 20th, 2012, 06:21 AM	#79
Ruffhauser Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Belltown Posts: 1,332 Likes (Received): 210	If anyone is over near Green Lake anytime soon, I'd like to see some updated photos of the Vitamilk site development.