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Old November 8th, 2010, 06:52 PM   #2081
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bună ziua Le Clerk, is there already an ETA on the short A3 section that was supposed to be opened last Saturday but they found the crash barriers weren't up to Radi's standards?
No, no ETA. The motorway admin said something like "a few days". But who knows?! We speculate they even try to postpone the opening until December 1st (National Day of Romania) to get extra media coverage. But this is just SSC users paranoia. I hope they're not right.

Let's wait a few more days...
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Old November 8th, 2010, 06:55 PM   #2082
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bună ziua Le Clerk, is there already an ETA on the short A3 section that was supposed to be opened last Saturday but they found the crash barriers weren't up to Radi's standards?
Goede avond, Chris!

There is no update yet. We'll keep you posted.
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Old November 8th, 2010, 07:54 PM   #2083
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Let's wait a few more days...
Uh oh.. we have a situation here, this means the crash barriers could lose their maximum shininess conformation up until then
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Old November 8th, 2010, 08:16 PM   #2084
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7 m is not enough for 2 rails.
I tought so... any other reasons? or just 4 safety? (no train is wider than 3m, so 5m could be enough)



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I think is for safety reasons. If something happen in the middle of the bridge, it need room for emergency evacuation of the passengers.
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Old November 8th, 2010, 08:31 PM   #2085
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I don't think this particular rail connection will be that busy that it cannot do with a single-track facility for just a few kilometers. Double track is more future-proof though. Doing it right from the beginning is always cheaper in the end (that is motorway construction with 2x2 lanes, with space for 2x3 or 2x4 in the median).
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Old November 8th, 2010, 08:37 PM   #2086
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I think is for safety reasons. If something happen in the middle of the bridge, it need room for emergency evacuation of the passengers.
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Old November 8th, 2010, 08:53 PM   #2087
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I don't think this particular rail connection will be that busy that it cannot do with a single-track facility for just a few kilometers. Double track is more future-proof though. Doing it right from the beginning is always cheaper in the end (that is motorway construction with 2x2 lanes, with space for 2x3 or 2x4 in the median).
I don't think it will be that busy, the priority should be to electrify the conection to Craiova (I don't know if is electrified on the bulgarian side).

As for the road part, 2x2 lanes is enough, as far as I know on the Bulgarian side is an 2+2 road, and on Romanian side... let's not mention it...
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Old November 8th, 2010, 09:01 PM   #2088
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Well, my remark about space reservation was not about this project, but for general highway construction. If you reserve space for 2x4 lanes, you'll be future-proof for a long time. 200.000+ volumes are rare in Europe.

In my opinion, motorway construction should include a worst-case scenario in a long-term traffic model, including socio-economic factors where public transport usage is at 10% on the national average and 2-car households are very common with 2-income households. That way you can calculate the maximum possible traffic volume and make a space reservation for that if it is reasonable possible (especially with greenfield motorway construction).

For example I think the Bucharest motorway ring road (not the CB) should have space for 2x4 lanes. It can sound far-fetched, but things can be totally different in 30 or 40 years. There is little doubt extensive suburbanization will occur around Bucharest too.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 12:27 AM   #2089
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I like how you think Chris, but I don't think you'd make a good politician. Politicians don't really care what happens 5 years from now, let alone 20!

A government like China's has a huge advantage in this regard, though.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 12:35 AM   #2090
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In my opinion, motorway construction should include a worst-case scenario in a long-term traffic model, including socio-economic factors where public transport usage is at 10% on the national average and 2-car households are very common with 2-income households.
Chris, I agree in principle with you. And, in fact, it's quite common in Bucharest now that a family may have 2 cars, one for each spouse.

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For example I think the Bucharest motorway ring road (not the CB) should have space for 2x4 lanes. It can sound far-fetched, but things can be totally different in 30 or 40 years. There is little doubt extensive suburbanization will occur around Bucharest too.
Again, I agree in principle, but what may sound economical for 30 years from now may be unfeasible now. Because land around Bucharest is very expensive, and making things cheaper for the future generations may render the project impossible financially-wise now because of un-affordable expropriation costs.

But I would ban any kind of constructions at a distance less than 50 m from each side of the motorway belt.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 10:28 AM   #2091
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Yeah, but who would know exactly what kind of transport vehicles we'll have in 30-40 years from now...
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Old November 9th, 2010, 06:54 PM   #2092
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The National Road Company signed today the contract for the A1 section in between Deva and Orastie 33 km), deadline 2012:


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Green - operational
  • A1 Bucuresti - Pitesti
  • A2 Bucuresti - Cernavoda
  • A3 Turda - Gilau
Yellow - u/c, to be opened late this year
  • A1 Sibiu bypass
  • A3 Turda - Campia Turzii
Red - u/c, to be opened in 2011 - 2012
  • A1 Arad bypass
  • A1 Arad - Timisoara
  • A2 Cernavoda - Constanta
  • A3 Bors - Surpaclu de Barcau
  • A3 Bucuresti - Ploiesti
  • A4 Constanta bypass
Light blue - Pan European IV corridor sections to be tendered late this year
  • A1 Arad - Nadlac
  • A1 Timisoara - Lugoj
  • A1 Lugoj - Deva
  • A1 Orastie - Sibiu
Dark blue - A1 Deva - Orastie motorway - awarded to Strabag

Other projects:

Brown - A3 Transilvania Motorway awarded to Bechtel (works on this sections haven't started yet)

Gray - A3 Comarnic - Brasov motorway (PPP project that failed; to be re-tendered next year)

Violet - A1 Sibiu - Pitesti: it might get EU money next year; nothing sure yet
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Old November 9th, 2010, 07:58 PM   #2093
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The National Road Company signed today the contract for the A1 section in between Deva and Orastie 33 km), deadline 2012
Not really 2012, IMO. They will probably have the deadline in early 2013, but they can finish in late 2012 if all goes well.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 08:42 PM   #2094
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Not really 2012, IMO. They will probably have the deadline in early 2013, but they can finish in late 2012 if all goes well.
It depends when the company receives the order to start works. If they receive the order Nov/Dec, they have to complete works by Nov/Dec 2012.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 08:45 PM   #2095
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cool, that's good news finally

what about the section Nadlac - Arad ? any news ...
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It depends when the company receives the order to start works. If they receive the order Nov/Dec, they have to complete works by Nov/Dec 2012.
Yes, I know, technically you're right. But in reality things can go a bit astray, as you probably know. I was talking about this reality when I said the deadline will be 2013.

Anyway, it's AWESOME news they awarded the contract. We'll see what happens next.
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what about the section Nadlac - Arad ? any news ...
Like I've said on the RO forum:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2307
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Old November 9th, 2010, 08:50 PM   #2098
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cool, that's good news finally

what about the section Nadlac - Arad ? any news ...
They NEED to tender that section, as well as all remaining sections on A1 (save for Pitesti-Sibiu) this month. The new ministress seems to be doing a much better job than the previous minister of transportation.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 08:58 PM   #2099
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according to CNADNR, Romania has 321,981 km of motorway - so this is the official figure

http://www.cnadnr.ro/pagina.php?idg=20
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Bucharest- Pitesti 96 km
Pitesti ringbelt 13.6 km
Bucharest- Cernavoda 151.38 km
Turda- Gilau 42 km

Total: 303 km
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According to Google Maps, A1 București - Piteşti is 109 km long:

http://maps.google.ro/maps?f=d&sourc...1,2.469177&z=9

I don't know why you guys count the Piteşti bypass separately. It is a continuous extension of the older A1 to Piteşti.
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