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Old November 12th, 2010, 07:44 PM   #2141
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STOP it guys. This is [RO] Romanian autostrăzi & drumuri / Motorways & Highways - România thread, so if you wish to say something about this do it, but if you really have to keep arguing like little kids try Send New Private Message. I'm not saying that any of you two is right or wrong, but I think you are going a little bit to far.
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Bullshit, we have almost nothing to talk about if we take consideration of the topic name.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 07:53 PM   #2142
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Eurocopter: I like you sense of humour very much !!!

anyway that kind of hot discussions is only present when two patriots talk about the same things, have different view.

but do you have a score for this year ? how many kms of new motorways this year ?
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Old November 12th, 2010, 07:53 PM   #2143
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Bullshit, we have almost nothing to talk about if we take consideration of the topic name.
I know that, but at least we can share our wet dreams
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Old November 12th, 2010, 07:54 PM   #2144
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How come we have nothing to talk about? How about 20 kilometers of motorway poping out of the blue and of which I bet you knew nothing about?!

Today our Prime Minister announced officially that at the 1st of December (it's true, he did not mentioned the year, but lets say he implied 2010) he'll open 20 kilometers of motorway, part of the northern ring of Bucharest, between Chitila and Voluntari He stressed out "motorway". Not highway, not national road! MOTORWAY!

Now, my dilema: should I say that we have an idiot Prime Minister, which mistakes for motorway a 4 lane regular road and which is clueless about what he should do in his position - my point in a previous post - or should I play stupid and brainwashed and therefore start to jump with joy: "Yeah! 20 more kilometers of MOTORWAY!"

I think I'll go and then again and hope that I'll wake up in another country. Or century....

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Old November 12th, 2010, 07:58 PM   #2145
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but do you have a score for this year ? how many kms of new motorways this year ?
I would say that we will have:
  • 10 km: Turda - Campia Turzii
  • 17,5 km: Sibiu bypass
  • prime-minister Boc also counts 20 km of Bucharest bypass, but that is just a regular 4 lane main road with some 2-level interchanges
So we will have 27,5 km of new motorways this year (if the weather helps us).
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Old November 12th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #2146
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(if the weather helps us).
You see... now that's Romanian style. We never have a definite Plan A and Plan B "no matter what". We always need help from the weather, God, stars and anything else, except the pure good planing and good work...
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Old November 12th, 2010, 08:11 PM   #2147
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Eurocopter: I like you sense of humour very much !!!

anyway that kind of hot discussions is only present when two patriots talk about the same things, have different view.

but do you have a score for this year ? how many kms of new motorways this year ?
In my opinion there will be commissioned between 10 and 27 kms. It depends wether they will be able to finish the 17km-long Sibiu by-pass and weather conditions are a decisive factor (considering they have to poor the final asphalt stages, being quite impossible during rain or frost). I would say there's about 50% chances of opening those 17 kms this year.

However, we shouldn't take into consideration Boc's palaver who is a law teacher and doesn't have the least notion and knowledge in construction and infrastructure - that's why 90% of what he's speaking related to these topics is crap! He has quite a strong habit of making a fool's joke out of the promises he makes. Next year we might re-achieve the national record of commissioning 0kms of motorway (there are many and strong reasons to believe that).

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Old November 12th, 2010, 08:16 PM   #2148
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You see... now that's Romanian style. We never have a definite Plan A and Plan B "no matter what". We always need help from the weather, God, stars and anything else, except the pure good planing and good work...
That's not entirely true. Pouring asphalt during rain or frost is widely not recommended by definition, not only in Romania. Personally I would give an opposite example of Romanian style stupidity - last year before they inaugurated the 42kms of A3 they were pouring asphalt during heavy rain and we might have some unpleasant surprises in a very short time (and all this, just to have the motorway ready just before the presidential election).
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Old November 12th, 2010, 08:19 PM   #2149
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You see... now that's Romanian style. We never have a definite Plan A and Plan B "no matter what". We always need help from the weather, God, stars and anything else, except the pure good planing and good work...
IMO this is happening because constructors don't stick to the plan and they work slowly. When the final term approaches, they realise that they have to work with all their forces to complete the asigned job, but if the weather isn't good they can't do that. The thing is that if they would have sticked to plan from the beginning they woudn't be so far behind the schedule and everything would be ok despite the weather.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 08:48 PM   #2150
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@eurocopter, bogdymol has the right point. They fall behind schedule so bad, that they need all the help they can get, God, weather and stars included, in order to meet a deadline.

When you start building a motorway, you do know that there will be rain, you do know that there will be frost, you do know that there will be winter. So you're expected to plan ahead and meet the deadline regardless of the weather. Therefore it sounds stupid to have an official announcing a "conditional" deadline with the Almighty in the equation. It's like you're -again - clueless about your job.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 08:50 PM   #2151
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You see... now that's Romanian style. We never have a definite Plan A and Plan B "no matter what". We always need help from the weather, God, stars and anything else, except the pure good planing and good work...
You seem to have no clue about how construction works are run...


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Old November 12th, 2010, 08:55 PM   #2152
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How come we have nothing to talk about? How about 20 kilometers of motorway poping out of the blue and of which I bet you knew nothing about?!

Today our Prime Minister announced officially that at the 1st of December (it's true, he did not mentioned the year, but lets say he implied 2010) he'll open 20 kilometers of motorway, part of the northern ring of Bucharest, between Chitila and Voluntari He stressed out "motorway". Not highway, not national road! MOTORWAY!

Now, my dilema: should I say that we have an idiot Prime Minister, which mistakes for motorway a 4 lane regular road and which is clueless about what he should do in his position - my point in a previous post - or should I play stupid and brainwashed and therefore start to jump with joy: "Yeah! 20 more kilometers of MOTORWAY!"

I think I'll go and then again and hope that I'll wake up in another country. Or century....

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wow what a lot of crap...

20 km of "motorway" between Chitila and Voluntari

12 km between Turda and Campia Turzii (are 10)

14 km Sibiu belt. (are 17)

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Old November 12th, 2010, 09:06 PM   #2153
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@eurocopter, bogdymol has the right point. They fall behind schedule so bad, that they need all the help they can get, God, weather and stars included, in order to meet a deadline.

When you start building a motorway, you do know that there will be rain, you do know that there will be frost, you do know that there will be winter. So you're expected to plan ahead and meet the deadline regardless of the weather. Therefore it sounds stupid to have an official announcing a "conditional" deadline with the Almighty in the equation. It's like you're -again - clueless about your job.
Bear in mind that in our country motorway construction depends mostly on funding schedule not construction schedules. Their plan is that they work when there are interests and money. Other than these, like construction schedule, deadlines, etc are simply a joke.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 09:33 PM   #2154
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I would say that we will have:
  • 10 km: Turda - Campia Turzii
  • 17,5 km: Sibiu bypass
  • prime-minister Boc also counts 20 km of Bucharest bypass, but that is just a regular 4 lane main road with some 2-level interchanges
So we will have 27,5 km of new motorways this year (if the weather helps us).
Wow, so my country (Poland) is faaaaaaaaar more better: 27,8 km this year


300 meters make a real difference !
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Old November 12th, 2010, 09:38 PM   #2155
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Wow, so my country (Poland) is faaaaaaaaar more better: 27,8 km this year


300 meters make a real difference !
Poland has more than 1300 km of new motorways u/c, so in the next two years you will beat us with more then 300 m.
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Poland has more than 1300 km of new motorways u/c, so in the next two years you will beat us with more then 300 m.
I just wanted to point out we are in the very same situation.

U/C: actually 730 km of motorways and 580 km of express-ways (dual carriage ways with two level crossings)

although at present I do see a (very ?) positive government engagement in this matter, our situation will dramatically change once we are in 2013, 'cause there is no strict plan for future.
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So what have we learned so far with this little Romanian play of the last dozens of posts?
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So what have we learned so far with this little Romanian play of the last dozens of posts?
Don't know what we've learned, but if it was funny, next time we'll charge the audience and get some money to fund our motorway network.
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So what have we learned so far with this little Romanian play of the last dozens of posts?
1. motorway projects are very complex and very difficult to perform
2. everybody wants new motorways
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Old November 12th, 2010, 10:41 PM   #2160
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