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Old April 11th, 2011, 01:27 PM   #2641
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Wow that sucks! It was supposed to open in 2012, right? It's the easternmost section of A2?
It's not exactly the easternmost section of A2, but the extension of existing A2. Colas had Cernavoda - Medgidia section which was supposed to be completed half-profile this year, and full profile next year, and the easternmost section of A2 is Medgidia - Constanta.

Anyway, it sucks.
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Old April 11th, 2011, 01:40 PM   #2642
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Wow that sucks! It was supposed to open in 2012, right? It's the easternmost section of A2?
It was supposed to open this year. The new deadline is 2013 at the earliest.
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Old April 11th, 2011, 02:55 PM   #2643
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I was in Constanta 1991,cant wait to travel there again over the new highways and see what changed in 20 years
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Old April 12th, 2011, 09:57 AM   #2644
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Welcome back!

Some updates on Constanta motorway by-pass, mainly works on overpasses:


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Old April 12th, 2011, 01:26 PM   #2645
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Cool!

Nadlac-Arad
Lot 1(22,2 km): Tirrena Scavi – Condotte – Cossi (all IT)
Lot 2(16,6 km): Pizzarotti (IT) – Impreglio (IT) – Pomponio (RO)

Timișoara – Lugoj
Lot 1 (9,5 km): Confort (RO) - Monte Adriano (P) - Viaponte Projectos e Consultoria de Engenharia (P)
Lot 2 (25,6 km): FCC Construccion (ES)

Lugoj - Deva
Lot 1 (27,4 km): Aktor (GR) - Shapir Structures (IS)

Orastie - Sibiu
Lot 1 (24,1 km): Strabag (AU)
Lot 2 (19,7 km): Max Boegl (D) – Geiger (D) – Tancrad (RO) – Primacons (RO)
Lot 3 (22,1 km): Ideconsa - Peyber Hispanica - OHL (ES all)
Lot 4 (16,1 km): Astaldi (IT) - Euroconstruct (RO) - AstalRom (RO)

A few Romanian companies there.

All in all, we'll have over 500 km of motorway U/C this year, most of it with EU money, and all to be delivered within the coming 2-3 years. That will also trigger a positive kick for the economy. Cement plants are already upgrading their production capacities along C IV. Now only if a deal or two could be pulled off with the Chinese for Comarnic-Brasov or Sibiu-Pitesti.
And the official winners are:

Nadlac-Arad
Lot 1(22,2 km): Romstrade (RO) – Monteadriano Engenharia e Construcao (PT) – Donep Construct (RO) - EUR 120 m ~ EUR 5.4m/km
Lot 2(16,6 km): Alpine Bau GmbH (D) - EUR 102 m ~ EUR 6.3m/km

Timișoara – Lugoj
Lot 1 (9,5 km): Spedition UMB SRL (RO) – Tehnostrade SRL (RO) – Carena SpA Impresa di Costruzioni (IT) - EUR 52 m ~ EUR 5.4m/km
Lot 2 (25,6 km): irrena Scavi SpA – Societa Italiana per Condotte d’Acqua SpA – Cossi Costruzioni SpA (all IT) - EUR 110 m ~ EUR 4.4m/km

Lugoj - Deva
Lot 1 (27,4 km): Tirrena Scavi SpA – Societa Italiana per Condotte d’Acqua SpA – Cossi Construzioni SpA (all IT) - EUR 154 m ~ EUR 5.7m/km

Orastie - Sibiu
Lot 1 (24,1 km): Strabag (AU) - EUR 125 m ~ EUR 5.2m/km
Lot 2 (19,7 km): Straco Grup SRL (RO) - Studio Corona SRL Civil Engineering (RO) - EUR 78 m ~ EUR 4m/km
Lot 3 (22,1 km): Impregilo SpA (IT) - EUR 151 m ~ EUR 6.8m/km
Lot 4 (16,1 km): Astaldi (IT) - Euroconstruct (RO) - AstalRom (RO) - EUR 142 m ~ EUR 8.8m/km

If all these are going smoothly in the coming months, Romania will turn into a motorways yard in the coming 2-3 years.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 06:25 PM   #2646
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The prices for some sectors are too small. I'm afraid "the Colas phenomenon" will repeat.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #2647
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The financial crisis has depressed construction prices significantly in the last 2 - 3 years. In Poland some projects are up to 60% cheaper than budgeted.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 06:52 PM   #2648
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That's true!

"Colas segment" collapsed because of arheological issues which made it impossible to work on some sections, not because of the price. 75% of the motorway section route needs to be moved now, which is quite a mess!
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Old April 12th, 2011, 08:21 PM   #2649
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If all these are going smoothly in the coming months, Romania will turn into a motorways yard in the coming 2-3 years.
If not, will turn into an archaeological yard
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Old April 12th, 2011, 09:39 PM   #2650
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@ChrisZwolle: Some sectors are won with a bid of 60-70% of the project budget. When you speak about Romania, please don't make a comparison with any other country in Europe. Nobody respects the terms of the project (time or money) here. Maybe it would have been better to consider the previous collaborations with the State.


@Le Clerk: This is not the first highway with archeological issues but I don't want to make a comparison with other countries. If the sector of 25% of the project(the part without archeological problems) had been completed so far, nobody would have said something bad about them. Is much simple to quit. I consider it is imperative to sanction the companies which don't respect the contract. Anyway Colas is in collapse.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 09:51 PM   #2651
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Colas has already been sanctioned by the contract termination. There is also a claim of over 7 million Euros against them.

As for the project budgets, these are strict and it's not that easy anymore to increase the budget. It is also capped at 30% AFAIK.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 12:30 AM   #2652
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The budget for Colas has become over night 'strict', while the budget for Basarab overpass in Bucharest has doubled in 5 years (last additional contract was 1 month ago for 17 milion euros).
And there are winners from the 6th position (relatively to the price asked) for some highways segments of the last auctions for A1 (http://www.romanialibera.ro/exclusiv...ro-222450.html).

Colas case is, in fact, a retribution payed to French politicians for opposing Romania entering Schengen space.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 09:13 AM   #2653
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Niceee! How long will the Romanian motorway system be, when these sections are inaugurated?
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Old April 14th, 2011, 10:08 AM   #2654
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The budget for Colas has become over night 'strict', while the budget for Basarab overpass in Bucharest has doubled in 5 years (last additional contract was 1 month ago for 17 milion euros).
And there are winners from the 6th position (relatively to the price asked) for some highways segments of the last auctions for A1 (http://www.romanialibera.ro/exclusiv...ro-222450.html).

Colas case is, in fact, a retribution payed to French politicians for opposing Romania entering Schengen space.
The article quoted by you is just stupid Romanian jurnalism. We are fighting and fighting to improve the QUALITY of our roads and motorways but the journalists want on the other hand that the cheapest competitor should get the Tender. Then let's give all the contracts to "Regii asfaltului" and we will build the cheapest motorways in EU and probably with 5 cm asphalt layer which after the first storm is washed away . For example in Germany, in most tenders, the cheapest and most expensive bids are excluded, which actually makes sense. It's not about money you brainless journalists it's about quality.
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Niceee! How long will the Romanian motorway system be, when these sections are inaugurated?
The current situation of the Romanian motorway network is as follows:

A1:

Bucharest-Piteşti+Piteşti bypass (in operation) - 120 km
Piteşti-Sibiu (through the mountains - to be tendered in an unforeseeable future) - 116,64 km
Sibiu bypass (in operation) - 17,1 km
Sibiu-Orăştie (tendered) - 82 km
Orăştie-Deva (under construction) - 32,8 km
Deva-Dumbrava (theoretically to be tendered soon) - 72,1 km
Dumbrava-Lugoj (tendered) - 27,4 km
Lugoj-Timişoara (tendered) - 35,1 km
Timişoara-Arad+bypass Arad (under construction) - 44,5 km
Arad-Nădlac/RO/HU border (tendered) - 38,8 km

A2:

Bucharest-Cernavodă (in operation) - 151,38 km
Cernavodă-Medgidia (its future is uncertain after the Romanian Company for Motorways sacked the contractor) - 21.05 km
Medgidia-Constanţa (under construction) - 31,8 km

A3:

Bucharest-Ploieşti (under construction) - 62 km
Ploieşti-Câmpia Turzii (not even God knows when) - 304,6 km
Câmpia Turzii-Cluj/Gilău (in operation) - 54 km
Cluj/Gilău-Suplacu de Barcău (not to be built very soon) - 100 km
Suplacu de Barcău-Borş/RO/HU border (lack of money --> hence the works have stopped) - 64 km

A4:

Constanţa bypass (under construction) - 22,2 km
To be continued till the Bulgarian border? For the moment we don't know.

Conclusion: leaving aside Deva-Dumbrava and any section of Transylvania Motorway except Turda-Cluj/Gilău and considering they will find another contractor very soon for Cernavodă-Medgidia stretch, the total length of the RO motorway network in (let's hope) three years will be of 740,13 km.

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1) The data used for the bypass of Constanţa is taken from its official page.
2) The rest of the data is taken from the official site of the Romanian Company for Motorways (CNADNR). For any wrong information please complain here.

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Just one small mistake - A3 Turda-Cluj/Gilău (in operation) - 54 km - it's not Turda, but Campia Turzii-Gilau

Maybe we should also hope and pray for A5/A6 Tg Mures-Iasi (FS stage) and A5/A6 Ploiesti-Buzau-Focsani-Albita (Corridor IX).
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The article quoted by you is just stupid Romanian jurnalism. We are fighting and fighting to improve the QUALITY of our roads and motorways but the journalists want on the other hand that the cheapest competitor should get the Tender. Then let's give all the contracts to "Regii asfaltului" and we will build the cheapest motorways in EU and probably with 5 cm asphalt layer which after the first storm is washed away . For example in Germany, in most tenders, the cheapest and most expensive bids are excluded, which actually makes sense. It's not about money you brainless journalists it's about quality.


Straco Group did a very good and fast job at Sibiu motorway by-pass. Euroconstruct also does pretty good roads. I'd say it's god we have more and more Romanian motorway builders. This industry needs to grow competitive for Romanian companies as well.
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The current situation of the Romanian motorway network is as follows:

A1:

Bucharest-Piteşti+Piteşti bypass (in operation) - 120 km
Piteşti-Sibiu (through the mountains - to be tendered in an unforeseeable future) - 116,64 km
Sibiu bypass (in operation) - 17,1 km
Sibiu-Orăştie (tendered) - 82 km
Orăştie-Deva (under construction) - 32,8 km
Deva-Dumbrava (theoretically to be tendered soon) - 72,1 km
Dumbrava-Lugoj (tendered) - 27,4 km
Lugoj-Timişoara (tendered) - 35,1 km
Timişoara-Arad+bypass Arad (under construction) - 44,5 km
Arad-Nădlac/RO/HU border (tendered) - 38,8 km

A2:

Bucharest-Cernavodă (in operation) - 151,38 km
Cernavodă-Medgidia (its future is uncertain after the Romanian Company for Motorways sacked the contractor) - 21.05 km
Medgidia-Constanţa (under construction) - 31,8 km

A3:

Bucharest-Ploieşti (under construction) - 62 km
Ploieşti-Turda (not even God knows when) - 304,6 km
Turda-Cluj/Gilău (in operation) - 54 km
Cluj/Gilău-Suplacu de Barcău (not to be built very soon) - 100 km
Suplacu de Barcău-Borş/RO/HU border (lack of money --> hence the works have stopped) - 64 km

A4:

Constanţa bypass (under construction) - 22,2 km
To be continued till the Bulgarian border? For the moment we don't know.

Conclusion: leaving aside Deva-Dumbrava and any section of Transylvania Motorway except Turda-Cluj/Gilău and considering they will find another contractor very soon for Cernavodă-Medgidia stretch, the total length of the RO motorway network in (let's hope) three years will be of 740,13 km.

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1) The data used for the bypass of Constanţa is taken from its official page.
2) The rest of the data is taken from the official site of the Romanian Company for Motorways (CNADNR). For any wrong information please complain here.
Good summary, with just some small notes:

1. Comarnic-Brasov section of A3 will be tendered this year. If works start next year, they could be completed by 2014.

2. Sibiu-Pitesti is also a priority but it's not very clear whether it will be tendered this year, though that is what CNADNR wants to do.

3. Tg Mures - Iasi FS will be completed this year and could be tendered this year or the coming one. The financing wil be coming from the EU during the 2013-2020 financing cycle, as I heard, so even though they start works in 2012-2013, the EU payments will still be available.
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Just one small mistake - A3 Turda-Cluj/Gilău (in operation) - 54 km - it's not Turda, but Campia Turzii-Gilau
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Good summary, with just some small notes:

1. Comarnic-Brasov section of A3 will be tendered this year. If works start next year, they could be completed by 2014.
Let's hope so, but I really don't believe it.
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Straco Group did a very good and fast job at Sibiu motorway by-pass. Euroconstruct also does pretty good roads. I'd say it's god we have more and more Romanian motorway builders. This industry needs to grow competitive for Romanian companies as well.
Ok, you are right, my wording was not the best. I should've said instead of "Regii asfaltului" "the cheapest bidder". My point is that not the price should be the main factor in choosing this tenders.
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