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Old July 5th, 2011, 07:38 PM   #3041
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If the roundabout would be signed properly then accidents woudn't happen there anymore (or at least not so often). The roundabout should have been signed from 2000m - 1000m - 500m - 250m - 100m - 50m + a gradual reduction of the speed limit 130 - 100 - 80 - 60 - 40 - 20.
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Old July 5th, 2011, 07:49 PM   #3042
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Why do Romanian motorways end with a roundabout rather than an interchange? I would think it's pretty dangerous ending with a roundabout...
I answer the question directly:
- short answer: saving money for the current government
- long answer: our highways are not built 'on budget on time', so the government in place prefers to open a highway section to traffic more quickly and postpone the investment of an interchange (at the end of the highway) for a future government.
In Romania 'on budget' is usually initial budget + 50%; 'on time' = initial deadline + 1 or 2 years.
When the government enters the 4th (last) year of mandate, it pushes the constructors to finish as many km of highways as possible, in order to win the elections.

The same problem was at A1 - Bucharest - Pitesti section which ends in a roundabout followed by a ditch of 2 meters depth. No matter how many visual signs or markers on asphalt they put, some cars have missed it.
The cars were registered in other regions than Pitesti!

The solution you suggest (an interchange + few hundred meters of highway 'to nowhere') is what we need, of course.

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Old July 6th, 2011, 09:21 AM   #3043
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Not all motorways end in a roundabout. For example, A3 near Cluj, both ends are interchanges.
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Old July 6th, 2011, 03:07 PM   #3044
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Maybe because it's almost not signalized?
The fact that only one truck in thousands who have passed that section bumped into the ditch doesn't mean necessarily it's the fault of the intersection. I know it, and it has enough signalling for a prudent driver, which all drivers should be.
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Old July 6th, 2011, 03:07 PM   #3045
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I updated the map:

Green: in use (331 km)
Yellow: U/C (250 km)
Red: contracted (works to start in the second half of this year / early next year) (178 km)
Blue: planned


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Old July 6th, 2011, 03:57 PM   #3046
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Wow! They progressed fast. Didn't they start like three months ago?
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Old July 6th, 2011, 04:32 PM   #3047
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Yes, they started in April.
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Old July 6th, 2011, 10:34 PM   #3048
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According to news today, the Chinese company who built the longest sea bridge in the world - CRBC, is currently negotiating with the Romanian Government for the construction of the Sibiu-Pitesti motorway section of A1. The condition is that most workers and subcontractors need to be brought from China.

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Old July 6th, 2011, 10:50 PM   #3049
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According to news today, the Chinese company who built the longest sea bridge in the world - CRBC, is currently negotiating with the Romanian Government for the construction of the Sibiu-Pitesti motorway section of A1. The condition is that most workers and subcontractors need to be brought from China.

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God forbid! I hope that an European company will build that motorway, although I don't think it will be done in the near future.
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Old July 6th, 2011, 11:00 PM   #3050
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As much as I want an European company to build that motorway, I don't think we can afford just yet any motorway that crosses the mountains to be done by an EU company... so I woudn't mind if the chinese would do it.
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Old July 6th, 2011, 11:05 PM   #3051
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^ I don't know why everybody considers the Chinese companies as the saviours of the day. Do you have any example of a successful infrastructure project implemented in Europe by the Chinese following the very strict European rules?
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Do you have any example of a successful infrastructure project implemented in Europe by the Chinese following the very strict European rules?
I think there is only one example. And it wasn't successful.
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Old July 6th, 2011, 11:11 PM   #3053
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I know that the Chinese are not seen very well in Europe right now, but I think it's the only chance that we got to built a motorway across the mountains right now. We don't have the money to do it from our budget, EU dosen't want to give us money for it and we saw that a PPP project dosen't work...

So we have 2 options:
1. Don't build anything.
2. Ask the Chinese to do it.

I consider that if the Romanian government negociates the contract well (not Bechtel-style) we could have a succesfull project.
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Old July 6th, 2011, 11:22 PM   #3054
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as much as I want to share your optimism I must say "Chinese way" will not save your bacon. "Polish case" is the best example of your "motorway dream"
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Old July 6th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #3055
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as much as I want to share your optimism I must say "Chinese way" will not save your bacon. "Polish case" is the best example of your "motorway dream"
I completely agree. Correct, they are building wonders in their country, but outside China, in Europe to be more precise, I don't think they can or want to follow our strict rules regarding such projects.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 07:08 AM   #3056
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If they create the "Chinese working conditions", that is the Gov allow the entire project to be Chinese driven, no Romanian subcontractors, no Romanian employees, no labour protection or security nagging etc, it might work better or them. Though they'd still have to buy concrete and other materials here, they'd still have to comply with other construction regulations etc.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 07:39 AM   #3057
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as much as I want to share your optimism I must say "Chinese way" will not save your bacon. "Polish case" is the best example of your "motorway dream"
The Romanian transport minister has specifically mentioned the "Polish example" to CRBC, warning them not to proceed in the same manner: bidding a very low price and them failing to keep up with the price.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 11:48 PM   #3058
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as much as I want to share your optimism I must say "Chinese way" will not save your bacon. "Polish case" is the best example of your "motorway dream"
In Poland (A2) Chinese probably became victims of polish building mafia
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:12 PM   #3060
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^ Great scenery. Thanks.

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Some pics of the under construction A3 motorway near Ploieşti:

- casting concrete on the upper deck of the overpass over main road DN1::





- the motorway near Râfov:






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