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Old July 31st, 2011, 01:37 PM   #3241
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It's harder to draw a highway between Odessa and Constanta along The Black Sea because of Danube Delta
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Old July 31st, 2011, 01:46 PM   #3242
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Almost impossible. The best option is probably between Tulcea and Izmail, but it would require several bridges, and most of the area are precious and inaccessible nature reserves. A crossing further west would require additional bridges across the lakes, or a detour via Moldova.

I think this is the most feasible option, requiring two major bridges, a most direct alignment as possible without disrupting the wetlands of the Danube Delta too much.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 02:06 PM   #3243
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I don't think the EU or Romania would agree to a motorway through the Delta. In fact, the current plans for the Black Sea motorway are Odessa-Chisinau-Albita-Bucharest (C IX)-Constanta.


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Old July 31st, 2011, 02:41 PM   #3244
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Bids for Cernavoda-Medgidia (the section where Colas lost the contract):

1. SPEDITION UMB-TEHNOSTRADE EUR 100 m
2. VEGA 93-SELINA-ARCADA COMPANY-CONSITRANS EUR 120 m
3. ASTALDI-MAX BOEGL EUR 125 m
4. TEHNOLOGICA RADION-LENA-PRO CONS XXI-VIA DESIGN EUR 150 m
5. MONTEADRIANO ENGENHARIA E CONSTRUCAO EUR 135 m
6. FCC CONSTRUCCION-DELTA ACM EUR 85 m (EUR 4 m/km) => lowest price so far in Romania
7. AKTOR EUR 150 m
8. OHL ZS-SOCIEDADE DE CONSTRUCOES SOARES DA COSTA EUR 110 m



Now compare that with > EUR 200 m Colas was asking for to build on a different route.

BTW: Deadline is 12 months from start of works (+ 3 month design). Technically, that means end 2012.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 03:53 PM   #3245
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Almost impossible. The best option is probably between Tulcea and Izmail, but it would require several bridges, and most of the area are precious and inaccessible nature reserves. A crossing further west would require additional bridges across the lakes, or a detour via Moldova.
The Ukrainians are planning to build an Odessa - Reni motorway so Romania extending that onwards from Reni would make sense.

Galati and Bralia are rather large, especially considered together, so really ought to be served by the coastal motorway anyway. Once there (obviously you'd need 5 km or something in Moldova to be on the right side of the Danube), you can cross the Danube fairly easily in terms of engineering. The only problem is the hills between there and the Tulcea area (you'd want to get near Tulcea, even if you pass 10km away), which don't look a great problem compared to hilly areas elsewhere in Romania.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 11:49 PM   #3246
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I don't think the plan will come to reality. Ukraine has other much more important routes to build, and they are even shorter on money than Romania.
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Actually the government recently approved a bridge across the Dniester Liman.

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Old August 1st, 2011, 09:23 AM   #3248
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Well, yes, governments will always approve big projects, but does that mean they will start building when? What source of financing they have? Is there a feasibility study? etc

And it looks like there is a plan only for the bridge.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 11:48 AM   #3249
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FFresh pictures from the newly opened section of A2 and A4:


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Old August 1st, 2011, 12:00 PM   #3250
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Financing for Odessa-Constanta motorway could be from EU funds. At least for Romanian section. So this motorway is not impossible. It is more a political decision. For shure it would be a proffitable project.
PS: A Black sea ring troug Bucuresti... It's aint gona be a ring but spiral.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 12:05 PM   #3251
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The EU won't fund it for 2 reasons:

1. It goes through the Delta.

2. It's not part of a pan-EU corridor, unless they change the route of C IX, which I don't think it's technically possible because it'd leave out Chisinau.

In any case, if financing would ever be available from the EU for any of those sections, including for the Romanian part, it'd come after 2020. So, it's a long term perspective which it is pretty useless to consider now, unless both countries commit own funds until 2020 which is very improbable. There's need for a lot of bridges and viaducts and costs will be high.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 03:04 PM   #3252
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We are actually talking abous two bridges at Danube. The rest of the terrain is pretty flat and easy for construction. Anyway, Romania have plans for 2/5th of the length.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 04:24 PM   #3253
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I think it's a very premature discussion, as I mentioned.

BTW: EU co-financing for motorways in Romania will go up from 85% to 95% starting next year.

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EU Marshall Plan for Troubled EU members

The European Commission's plan to reduce the co-financing that must be provided by six EU member states to access EU funds, to 5% from 15%.

The states that will benefit from this plan are Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Latvia, Portugal and Romania. The measures "should make a significant contribution to getting some of the EU's most troubled economies back on track," says a press release issued Monday by the Commission.

Current rules say the national government must contribute at least 15% of the cost of an approved project, before the EU pays the difference. Through this plan, the EU's contribution will increase to 95%, if requested by a member state.

The expected maximal impact for the six states is EUR2.9 billion. The plan will save Greece EUR879 million, Romania - EUR714 million, Portugal - EUR629 million, Hungary - EUR308 million, Latvia - EUR255 million and Ireland - EUR98 million.

"These proposals are an exceptional response to exceptional circumstances. Accelerating these funds, combined with the financial assistance programmes, demonstrate the Commission's determination to boost prosperity and competitiveness in the countries mostly hit after the financial crisis - thereby contributing to a kind of 'Marshall Plan' for economic recovery," said Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso, cited in the press release.

The Commission will ask the Council and European Parliament to adopt the proposal, through an urgent procedure, by the end of the year.

"The measure does not represent new or additional funding but it allows an earlier reimbursement of funds already committed under EU cohesion policy, rural development and fisheries," says the EC.

"[The higher contribution] should be accompanied by a prioritisation of projects focusing on growth and employment, such as retraining workers, setting up business clusters or investing in transport infrastructure. In this way level of execution can be increased, absorption augmented and extra money injected into the economy faster," says the Commission.

"[The plan] is an exceptional temporary measure, which ends as soon as the Member States stop receiving support under the financial assistance programmes."

The Commission's proposal concerns financing allotted through the European Regional Development Fund, Cohesion Fund, European Social Fund, European Fisheries Fund and European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 06:45 PM   #3254
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This should be used for the sibiu - pitesti section
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Old August 1st, 2011, 06:50 PM   #3255
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Yes, in theory. There's also some money saved from cheaper than expected bids for the sections contracted so far, AFAIK in total amount of EUR 600 million.

Still, Sibiu-Pitesti feasibility study puts the total cost at EUR 3 billion.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 07:21 PM   #3256
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how much is the prahova valley section one of this two need to be build
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Old August 1st, 2011, 07:23 PM   #3257
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Say a road project cost € 1 billion. Romania's share is € 150 million (15%). Now their share is 50 million. Does that mean Romania can start two other € 1 billion plans with the remaining € 100 million state budget?
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Old August 1st, 2011, 07:38 PM   #3258
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The cofinancing left is about 600 million, plus maybe 100 million from this "Marshall" proposal (impact for motorways alone), with Romania's contribution at EUR 35 million. On A1, there are still "blanck" spots such as Lugoj-Deva (lots 2 and 3) and Sibiu-Pitesti, which together cost an estimated EUR 4 billion. There is still a huge gap in financing.
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Are there any pictures of the A2 bridge across the Danube - Black Sea Canal?
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Old August 1st, 2011, 08:45 PM   #3260
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Yes, look here:
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