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Old October 12th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #3561
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I'm considering holiday in Romania and Bulgaria in next year. Could you write me what roads you prefer to drive from Katowice (Poland) to Constanta? The route not must be fastest. Most important to me are drive comfort (good surface, small traffic) and route picturesqueness (for example mountains with beautyful views are big advantage). Please draw this route on google maps. Thanks!
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Old October 12th, 2011, 11:47 PM   #3562
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I'm considering holiday in Romania and Bulgaria in next year. Could you write me what roads you prefer to drive from Katowice (Poland) to Constanta? The route not must be fastest. Most important to me are drive comfort (good surface, small traffic) and route picturesqueness (for example mountains with beautyful views are big advantage). Please draw this route on google maps. Thanks!
I would propose this one maybe: http://g.co/maps/npdjb
You pass by some nice cities, also my hometown. I'm not sure if you want to make stops along the way or not. I chose the way through Caransebes, because it's not so busy as through Faget. Also along the way is Sarmizegetusa, an old Roman site.
Along the way, other nice cities (or with interesting sites) are Hunedoara, Deva, Alba Iulia, Seibiu. Also, I chose the road to pass the Transfagarasan road (DN7C), trust me, it's worth it.

I think this road would also be right for you: http://g.co/maps/6uufw

Maybe you could use them both one for arrival, one for return.
I can also recomand you another beautiful mountain pass, the Transalpina road (DN67C), http://g.co/maps/ztc4q

For other stuff, maybe if you want more information about places and roads, feel free to ask.
You can also fin lots of infos on wiki, and also here on SSC if you perform a search.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 07:33 AM   #3563
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I'm not negative but even if you're right that in 90's Romania was the worst, today is also the worst. What helps me to say it's better than in 90's if we are still the last country in Europe? Highways are always delayed with double price in the end and roads are in a very bad shape. I hate when hear people complaining about the weather problems when building/repairing a road. Look at England where rains every day and you can see road works even when it's raining. If you don't believe me search on youtube or go there. The truth is that when a country like Romania has this problems, you have to reshape the system, because there is the problem. Of course today national roads are better than in 90's and we are advancing quite slow but we move.
Romania was cursed with probably the biggest idiot amongst eastern european commie countries in the last century, so dont blame yourself. It takes a lot of time to whipe out the destrucion communism caused in country and heads.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 08:39 PM   #3564
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Ceausescu ordered the construction of one of the most expansive rail network in Europe as well as one of the biggest metro system in EE (larger than Budapest's, through Athens and Istanbul). At the same time he totally rejected the construction of a motorway network after 69 (when the Warsaw Pact amassed 1 million soldiers at all borders for invasion of Romania for its pro-Washington foreign policy and criticism of Czechoslovakia's invasion) , though he designed one of the most ambitious motorway network in Romania which is even more ambitious than the current design we have nowadays.

Ceausescu was in many ways an idiot, but in terms of infrastructure, we could've had the most extended network in Romania had it been not for its anti-Soviet bravade.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 08:57 PM   #3565
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Ceausescu died 22 years ago.

Don't try and pin this exclusively on him, cause he's not the only one to blame for this situation. Hmm, I have a weak memory... who was that guy who said that Romania doesn't need motorways a few years ago?

Oh yeah! He was the Minister of Transportation!

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Old October 13th, 2011, 09:06 PM   #3566
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Ceausescu died 22 years ago.

Don't try and pin this exclusively on him, cause he's not the only one to blame for this situation. Hmm, I have a weak memory... who was that guy who said that Romania doesn't need motorways a few years ago?

Oh yeah! He was the Minister of Transportation!
And he now is the President of Romania...
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Old October 13th, 2011, 09:29 PM   #3567
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Oh my, I forgot to mention it. That’s so embarrassing!

Thanks.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #3568
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Ceausescu died 22 years ago.

Don't try and pin this exclusively on him, cause he's not the only one to blame for this situation. Hmm, I have a weak memory... who was that guy who said that Romania doesn't need motorways a few years ago?

Oh yeah! He was the Minister of Transportation!
I dont try to pin it on Ceaucescu, but the roots of this mentality lie in communism believe me. But okay, I dont speak for Romanians.
But in my native Hungary for example, still the majority of the population grew up in commie times and think in this "if-you have-the-opportunity-to-steal-it-then-go-ahead-and-f*ckin-steal-it" way. I call it living day by day mentality. Most of the older people are contagioned by this way of thinking...sadly.

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Old October 13th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #3569
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Oh my, I forgot to mention it. That’s so embarrassing!

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Well, you got me with that. I dont have an explanation why your prime minister thinks in 2011 Romania doesnt need motorways while the whole world travels by car everywhere and everytime. Thats really strange thinking...
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Old October 13th, 2011, 11:35 PM   #3570
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Bribe the bastard.Tell him that if he doesnt invest heavily in Romanian motorways,then your not going to vote for him in the next election.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 11:45 PM   #3571
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Romania is a great country and I'm sure will get there (not only with the road infrastructure development) sooner than later.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #3572
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Well, you got me with that. I dont have an explanation why your prime minister thinks in 2011 Romania doesnt need motorways while the whole world travels by car everywhere and everytime. Thats really strange thinking...
Because he has a helicopter.

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Romania is a great country and I'm sure will get there (not only with the road infrastructure development) sooner than later.
Romania will get there sooner or later, this isn't the problem. The problem is that it could have got there sooner rather than later if it wasn't for this idiots.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 02:19 AM   #3573
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth:
Basescu said Romania doesn't need highways in 1996 when the natioanal road Pitesti - Ramnicu Valcea was rehabilitated.

Romania has an average salary of 100$/month and even less between 1990 - 2004 and they bought Dacia cars, chiefly.
Between 2004 - 2007 the average salary grew to around 300$/month and in these years Romanians started to buy new cars massively, until recently.

Didn't you all lived in Romania those years?
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Old October 14th, 2011, 03:50 AM   #3574
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I'm not negative but even if you're right that in 90's Romania was the worst, today is also the worst. What helps me to say it's better than in 90's if we are still the last country in Europe? Highways are always delayed with double price in the end and roads are in a very bad shape. I hate when hear people complaining about the weather problems when building/repairing a road. Look at England where rains every day and you can see road works even when it's raining. If you don't believe me search on youtube or go there. The truth is that when a country like Romania has this problems, you have to reshape the system, because there is the problem. Of course today national roads are better than in 90's and we are advancing quite slow but we move.
Actually I know England quite well, I grew up in Plymouth (thus my nick!), and even though I now live in Italy still consider Plymouth to be my home town, in Plymouth it rains even when it's sunny in other parts of England!!!
But it's very unfair to compare Romania to the UK, in the 70's and 80's, if we wanted a bottle of milk all we had to do was to wait for the milkman to deliver it to our front door. In Romania you had to queue all night hoping that there was still some left for you, it's a silly example but it makes my point that concerning infrastructure as a whole the gap between the two countries in the early 90's was huge.
Besides in England if you don't work when it's raining you're called unemployed.
In Italy we also have weather delaying road works and I would say that highways costing double the figure than originally planned are the norm probably throughout europe as are delays. That's precisely why I think it would be a mistake for Romania to concentrate too much on motorways, I would love to be able to drive from Italy to Bucharest with fast motorways all the way and it certainly is needed to help boost Romania's infrastructure, but nobody really knows when that's going to happen.
Meanwhile the main road network should be upgraded, this can be done more quickly helping already improve the quality of life for most people, probably even help save lives of some people on their way to enjoying their 'gratar' with family and friends. Also, it will be useful even when you have the motorway network we now dream of.
France and Germany have probably amongst the world's best road networks not just because of the extention of the motorways but because once you leave the motorway you generally find roads in equally good conditions that are fun to drive on.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 04:24 AM   #3575
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I dont try to pin it on Ceaucescu, but the roots of this mentality lie in communism believe me. But okay, I dont speak for Romanians.
But in my native Hungary for example, still the majority of the population grew up in commie times and think in this "if-you have-the-opportunity-to-steal-it-then-go-ahead-and-f*ckin-steal-it" way. I call it living day by day mentality. Most of the older people are contagioned by this way of thinking...sadly.
I completely agree with you, but I don't fault the people who think this way, those who lived under comunism had to deal with the consequences of the mistreatment of a country's resources that happens when you get everything decided and planned by the government.
I get the impression though that Hungary is doing quite well already, perhaps not as well financially as you would like (who is these days?). But driving across the country is pleasant, most drivers seem to be disciplined and the hospitality is good.
I love both Romania and Hungary and wish that past differences could be set aside once and for all. How about a European football championship organized together?!
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Old October 14th, 2011, 10:26 AM   #3576
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Romania will get there sooner or later, this isn't the problem. The problem is that it could have got there sooner rather than later if it wasn't for this idiots.
Ok, I think I can understand your frustration, however how come those 'idiots' got elected by Romanian citizens in the first place?
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Old October 14th, 2011, 01:30 PM   #3577
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth:
Basescu said Romania doesn't need highways in 1996 when the natioanal road Pitesti - Ramnicu Valcea was rehabilitated.
Exactly. Wasn't he the Minister of Transportation in that time?

@ ja.centy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not frustrated about it, I actually enjoyed it. It just seems so awesome to have a Minister of Transportation who says: meh.. we don't need them motorways! And then that guy to be elected president of Romania twice in a row (and would probably get elected a 3rd time )! I said this cause you were all throwing shit at Cheausescu, and yeah he deserves it too, but not just him.

Those idiots got elected by other idiots, it's that simple . In the end they're are the same, it wouldn't really make such a big difference no matter who got elected. I could tell you how and what lies did they told to get elected. Some of them were really funny, I still remember when they promised 1.000 km of motorways in 4 years and people bought it. But not here cause that'll be a hell of an off topic story.

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Old October 14th, 2011, 02:57 PM   #3578
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Ok, I think I can understand your frustration, however how come those 'idiots' got elected by Romanian citizens in the first place?
Only this idiots are running for elections every time... And people vote for them because they have no other option.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 04:38 PM   #3579
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ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS.!

The western world looks down on Romania thanks to your incompetent president.Romania needs at least 10 more motorway connections,before attracting business investors fron Europe.Until this happens,your economy will suffer a massive loss in revenue.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 05:46 PM   #3580
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Two questions:
1. Could you post Cheausescu's motorway network plan?
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2. Is Basescu a socialist?
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