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Old November 28th, 2011, 05:13 PM   #3881
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"plan for the south motorway by-pass for a PPP "

One of the Romanian users had the idea to have it covered by EU funds since it could be basically viewed as part of CIV corridor linking A1 and A2.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 05:27 PM   #3882
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Yes, but there is no more EU money until 2014 (all of it was contracted on CIV north), and even after that, the EU money will not be enough for CIV south and CIX, let alone Bucharest's belt which is very expensive (>EUR 1 billion).
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Old November 28th, 2011, 06:24 PM   #3883
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What's driving the cost of Bucharest's belt up? I'm not familiar with the city's geography...is there a need for some tunnelling for example?
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Old November 28th, 2011, 06:41 PM   #3884
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More probably the higher prices of land expropriation in urban areas...
For the same reason part of Sofia's belt-way is being built on two levels to make it narrower - the main roadway on a bridge over the local ones.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 06:45 PM   #3885
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More probably the higher prices of land expropriation in urban areas...
Exactly!
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Old November 28th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #3886
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What's driving the cost of Bucharest's belt up? I'm not familiar with the city's geography...is there a need for some tunnelling for example?
Normally, the price/km is EUR 5 million or less latelly for motorway construction. However, the estimated price for Bucharest belt is EUR 1 billion for 100 km in lenght, because of high expropriation costs, and also due to much more exits and interchanges than a normal motorway.

There will be at least 3 major cloverleafs (hopefully) for A0XA1XA2XA3 interchanges, as well as other major interchanges with European or national roads.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 11:35 PM   #3887
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A3 north of Bucharest (too bad there are some small sections yet to be completed):


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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #3888
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I just wait for Mrs. Boagiu to keep her promises and fine the builders who delay the A3 Moara Vlasiei - Ploiesti.
Initial deadline: december 2011
New estimate from PM Boc: April 2012

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Old November 29th, 2011, 08:43 AM   #3889
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Yes, they need to be fined allright and the contract allows the Minister of Transportation to fine the contractors in delay.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:14 PM   #3890
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A3 north of Bucharest (too bad there are some small sections yet to be completed):
How long is the 2x3 lane section which is closer to Bucharest of A3?
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:23 PM   #3891
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How long is the 2x3 lane section which is closer to Bucharest of A3?
I don't know exactly, but it ends just a bit SE of Ploiesti where the A5 junction should be.

Edit: the Bucharest-Moara Vlasiei section is 20 km long and will be 2x3.

The section Moara Vlasiei-Dumbrava is 25 km long and was initially supposed to also be 2x3 but I am not sure it was built also at 2x3 or the 3rd lane was postponed for later. AFAIK, the latter is the case.

The remaining 15 km to Ploiesti by-pass is 2x2.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:50 PM   #3892
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OK, thanks! That was my primary information that the 2x3 section ends at the A5 future junction. But I doubted it because I read on your post that the picture (where the motorway is 2x2) is taken just north of Bucharest!
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Old November 29th, 2011, 01:36 PM   #3893
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Edit: the Bucharest-Moara Vlasiei section is 20 km long and will be 2x3.
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OK, thanks! That was my primary information that the 2x3 section ends at the A5 future junction. But I doubted it because I read on your post that the picture (where the motorway is 2x2) is taken just north of Bucharest!
Bucharest-Dumbrava section was planned as a 3x2 profile motorway by the former minister of Transports Ludovic Orban and later canceled by the next minister, Radu Berceanu. Reason: it was too expensive, as A3 was funded so far exclusively by Romanian gvt. When Berceanu understood his mistake and wanted to repair it, it was too late, a tender procedure was already completed. Under EU regulations, the additional money needed to build Moara Vlăsiei-Dumbrava as a 3x2 motorway required a new tender, which would been proved stupid: a contractor building two lanes+shoulder, another one building a third lane. So the Ministry abandoned the idea for better times.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 02:05 PM   #3894
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OK, thanks! That was my primary information that the 2x3 section ends at the A5 future junction. But I doubted it because I read on your post that the picture (where the motorway is 2x2) is taken just north of Bucharest!
The picture is taken from the 15 KM 2x2 section near Ploiesti (north of A5xA3 junction) which is currently completed as it can be seen from the picture. Unfortunatelly, the other 2 sections are not completed and that is why the motorway won't be opened this year.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 05:05 PM   #3895
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I just wait for Mrs. Boagiu to keep her promises and fine the builders who delay the A3 Moara Vlasiei - Ploiesti.
Initial deadline: december 2011
New estimate from PM Boc: April 2012
The Transportation Minister just announced fines of 0.05%/day of delay from the cotnract price, starting 15 December for the contractors who will not be able to meet this deadline!
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Old November 29th, 2011, 05:15 PM   #3896
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0,05% of what ? total value of the contract ? if so, what is the value ? is winter time calculated as well ?
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Old November 29th, 2011, 05:20 PM   #3897
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EUR 238 million => that's about EUR 120 k per day in fines.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 08:44 PM   #3898
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Some cool pictures of the recently opened section of A4:


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Old November 29th, 2011, 09:05 PM   #3899
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Lots of traffic over there.
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Lots of traffic over there.
Quoting @gramercy (link):

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look, a WHOLE truck
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