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Old November 29th, 2011, 09:45 PM   #3901
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Lots of traffic over there.
You mean bird traffic...

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Old November 29th, 2011, 10:01 PM   #3902
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Old November 29th, 2011, 10:06 PM   #3903
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Good looking motorway , and the birds seem to be enjoying themselves
How many kilometers of motorways in total have been opened in Romania so far this year?
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Old November 29th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #3904
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Added levels of probability:


2011
A1: Timisoara-Arad - 35 km - CERTAIN
A2: Murfatlar-Constanta - 15 km - DELIVERED
A3: 0 km
A4: Valul lui Traian-Agigea: 11 km - DELIVERED

Total openings 2011: 61 km
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ATM: 374 km


Total motorway end 2011: 409km



2012
A1: Arad bypass - 12 km - CERTAIN
A1: Orastie-Simeria - 15 km - PROBABLE
A2: Cernavoda-Medgidia - 20 km - PROBABLE
A2: Medgidia-Murfatlar - 16 km - CERTAIN
A3: Bucharest Ring-Ploiesti - 55 km - CERTAIN
A3: Bucharest-Bucharest Ring - 7 km - PROBABLE
A3: Suplacu-Bors - 65 km - PROBABLE
A4: Ovidiu-Valul lui Traian - 11 km - CERTAIN

Total openings 2012: 201 km
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Total motorway end 2012: 610 km
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Old November 29th, 2011, 11:31 PM   #3905
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Thanks for this very neatly presented list
2012 sure looks set to be busy!
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Old November 30th, 2011, 12:26 AM   #3906
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looking forward to verifying Le Clerk data - much information, not much reality.

how about the plan for 2013 ?, contracts signed this year should be going live around 2013 ...
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Old November 30th, 2011, 02:15 AM   #3907
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We have elections in November 2012, so what is planned for 2012 has great probability to happen.
In 2013 a new govt. may change plans, budget allocations etc. in a well known tradition.

EU funding is not a guarantee:
Vidin - Calafat bridge (EU funded) has 2 years delay and got extension of EU financing.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:02 AM   #3908
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well, I am not an expert, but I do not think the election year will have such a great impact on construction works. of course I do understand both contract parties would be doing their best, but if - for example - financing is not secure, or any other negative issue appears, election will not help that much. there could be another scenario - the motorways will not be finished, on the other hand put into operation (half-profile, no two level crossings), but this is like cheating yourself: "hey, look, we have new motorways", does not matter this is not a motorway.

based on fact, that motorway construction is quite a complicated job I would expect some delays (which is normal), that is way I would say 2013 could be a nice surprise, because projects with 2012 as scheduled end date will be finished in 2013.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:10 AM   #3909
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Most of the deadlines in the list above are quite certain for opening, bar for the red ones which are not very sure:


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2011
A1: Timisoara-Arad - 35 km - CERTAIN
A2: Murfatlar-Constanta - 15 km - DELIVERED
A3: 0 km
A4: Valul lui Traian-Agigea: 11 km - DELIVERED

Total openings 2011: 61 km
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ATM: 374 km


Total motorway end 2011: 409km



2012
A1: Arad bypass - 12 km - CERTAIN
A1: Orastie-Simeria - 15 km - PROBABLE
A2: Cernavoda-Medgidia - 20 km - PROBABLE
A2: Medgidia-Murfatlar - 16 km - CERTAIN
A3: Bucharest Ring-Ploiesti - 55 km - CERTAIN
A3: Bucharest-Bucharest Ring - 7 km - PROBABLE
A3: Suplacu-Bors - 65 km - PROBABLE
A4: Ovidiu-Valul lui Traian - 11 km - CERTAIN

Total openings 2012: 201 km
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Total motorway end 2012: 610 km

BTW: Daniel is right - works on all sections of A1 which were started a few months ago are already ahead of schedule, for some reason (elections).
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:33 AM   #3910
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Most of the deadlines in the list above are quite certain for opening, bar for the red ones which are not very sure:
ah, not a big deal - uncertain 87 km vs total 201 km. just 43%, who would care ...
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:39 AM   #3911
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So, what's your point anyway?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 11:00 AM   #3912
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just be precise. no, wait I do not mean "precise"

be realistic.

do not type: "201 km for 2012" because this does not make any sense. not to mention your own national program: 2000 km for 2020

if you are able to defend your figures, now this is your time, otherwise hold your horses, because anybody can shot in the dark
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Old November 30th, 2011, 11:17 AM   #3913
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BTW: Daniel is right - works on all sections of A1 which were started a few months ago are already ahead of schedule, for some reason (elections).
If this is how it's done let's have elections every year or so and in 5 years they will build 1000 Km or so of motorways. Who's in favour of my idea ??
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Old November 30th, 2011, 11:19 AM   #3914
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BTW shouldn't last week be tendered the nadasel-gilau section of A3? or they forgot about it again?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 11:20 AM   #3915
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@and802

2012
A1: Arad bypass - 12 km - CERTAIN
A1: Orastie-Simeria - 15 km - PROBABLE
A2: Cernavoda-Medgidia - 20 km - PROBABLE
A2: Medgidia-Murfatlar - 16 km - CERTAIN
A3: Bucharest Ring-Ploiesti - 55 km - CERTAIN
A3: Bucharest-Bucharest Ring - 7 km - PROBABLE
A3: Suplacu-Bors - 65 km - PROBABLE
A4: Ovidiu-Valul lui Traian - 11 km - CERTAIN

Total openings 2012: max. 201 km; min. 94 km
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satisfied??
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Old November 30th, 2011, 05:39 PM   #3916
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just be precise. no, wait I do not mean "precise"

be realistic.

do not type: "201 km for 2012" because this does not make any sense.
you don't understand the concept of a "plan" ... this is how it looks today, it might change tomorrow.

based on recent history and how election years do miracles in romania, I think Le Clerk's plan for 2012 is realistic at this stage.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 05:57 PM   #3917
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Romanians to drive to Black Sea on motorway starting summer 2012
Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:21


Minister of Transport and Infrastructure Anca Boagiu opened the building works on Medgidia-Cernavoda motorway stretch, as she stressed the Romanians will drive to the Black Sea port on the motorway linking Bucharest to Constanta starting next summer, the ministry announced.

Traffic on Medgidia-Cernavoda stretch only will be restricted to one lane in each direction, for the beginning, given that this section is very much delayed, after the original contract with constructor Colas was terminated early this year. The ministry organised a new tender, which was won by consortium Astaldi SPA - Max Boegl.

This last section of the A2 Sun Motorway is financed by EIB funds and from Cohesion Funds.

The design and building contract for this section totals 118.76 million euros, pre-VAT. This new contract costs 60 million euros less than the 179.70 million euros contract with Colas.

Furthermore, the deadline for designing and building the Cernavoda-Medgidia motorway stretch has been cut to 15 months from a previous 24, thus making it possible to open the new motorway to traffic in 2012.
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I am curious if the contractor will be able to keep up with the next summer's deadline for opening on half profile. The works have started indeed some time ago already before this official opening by the minister.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:05 PM   #3918
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Le Clerk, don't you think it is a miracle ?

you posted the government statement afternoon and I posted pretty similar information in the morning (half way profile, but to be on time).

just to clarify: I did not contact the spokeman.
most probably Ms. Anca Boagiu read my post and - as a result - announced the offical statement.

good God ! our dialogue brought the first fruits ...
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:08 PM   #3919
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How realistic is it to complete that section in 7 months from now? As far as I know they just started on the new alignment there.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:51 PM   #3920
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How realistic is it to complete that section in 7 months from now? As far as I know they just started on the new alignment there.
The Lady promised same stuff for this year, that's the level of realism.
And btw, in a normal country the term of completion is stated by the contract, not by a Ministry in some newspaper.


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