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Old December 19th, 2011, 12:46 PM   #4081
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One think makes me wonder when I watch the photos from Arad's bypass... Installing and connecting the temporary concrete crash-barriers looks like a lot of work, and also for sure expensive enough. Wasn't it easier to install the permanent metal crash-barriers instead?!? And after all, this concrete barrier will need a lot of work to be uninstalled later. So the work becomes triple...
(on the other hand it sounds like hell of a good deal for the contractor, who will try to get triple pay for these activities)
Those crash barriers are metalic, although they look like concrete. They are empty inside so they can be easly moved with the help of a crane.

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Speaking of the accident: before I left my home I noticed one emergency extrication unit and one ambulance rushing from the Mures bridge to the hospital. When I was at DN69/A1 interchange I noticed 3 police cars passing through that area (2 of them with the lights turned on).
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Old December 19th, 2011, 03:09 PM   #4082
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this is very interesting map.

could you please tell us more about the source (I mean a person who prepared it). all I can understand it is posted in "RO Motorways/Expressways - My vision, my plan, my map" section.

does it mean it is just a somebody's imagination - or better - more official plan (with dates) including feasibility study, environmental agreements, secured source of financing, all these basic steps to launch any generic works
I will allow someone else to answer your questions as of now, since I don't hold credibility as far as you are concerned.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 03:26 PM   #4083
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I am guessing now, but I think more people are interested in it.

if you present a quite impressive map of a road network as of 2018, I believe it is more then worthy to mention the source.

is it just a somebody imagination ? as it is taken from "RO Motorways/Expressways - My vision, my plan, my map".
or a guy with nickname "skynick" took it from Romanian Road Authority, or Ministry of Transport or EU transpotation commission.

this is crucial to understand what kind of information we deal with. don't you agree ?
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Old December 19th, 2011, 03:29 PM   #4084
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I agree but I am leaving the answer for someone else.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 07:46 PM   #4085
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One think makes me wonder when I watch the photos from Arad's bypass... Installing and connecting the temporary concrete crash-barriers looks like a lot of work, and also for sure expensive enough. Wasn't it easier to install the permanent metal crash-barriers instead?!? And after all, this concrete barrier will need a lot of work to be uninstalled later. So the work becomes triple...
(on the other hand it sounds like hell of a good deal for the contractor, who will try to get triple pay for these activities)
The third layer of asphalt is missing on large sections. The guardrails will be installed afterwards, otherwise would be a hell to lay asphalt by hand between the guardrail poles.
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is it just a somebody imagination ? as it is taken from "RO Motorways/Expressways - My vision, my plan, my map".
or a guy with nickname "skynick" took it from Romanian Road Authority, or Ministry of Transport or EU transpotation commission.
It seems the map is indeed made by @skynick, based on governmental promises and his own vision. Therefore it might not be so accurate in the end.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 10:38 PM   #4086
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many thanks

one thing more...
do you know what would be the total of new motorways according to government plans transformed onto skynick's map ?
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Old December 20th, 2011, 08:10 AM   #4087
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It seems the map is indeed made by @skynick, based on governmental promises and his own vision. Therefore it might not be so accurate in the end.
skynick used to be a pessimist forumer when it came to motorways, but I reckon he changed his opinion latelly.

BTW: That motorway projection map is based on government motorway plans, and I am mostly OK with it, except for Sibiu-Pitesti and A0 which I am not sure will be ready by then, though we have answers from the MT advisor on the Romanian forum that CIV and CIX remain key priorities (which means Sibiu-Pitesti and A0 are key priorities too).
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Old December 20th, 2011, 02:40 PM   #4088
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A good projection of motorway development in Romania until 2013, based on current contracts in force:



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motorway operational in 2011:
A1: Bucuresti – Pitesti byass: 111,2 km
A1: Sibiu bypass: 17,6 km
A1: Timisoara – Arad: 32,25 km
A2: Bucuresti – Cernavoda: 151,7 km
A2: Murfatlar - Constanta: 14,5 km
A3: Gilau – Campia Turzii: 52 km
A4: Constanta bypass: 10,9 km
TOTAL: 390,15 km

motorway to be delivered in 2012:
A1: Arad bypass: 12,25 km
A1: Timisoara – Lugoj: 9,5 km (Lotul 1: Timisoara – Izvin)
A2: Medgidia – Murfatlar: 16,3 km
A3: Bucuresti – Ploiesti: 55,5 km
A4: Constanta bypass: 11,2 km
TOTAL completed 2012: 104,75 km

motorway to be delivered in 2013:
A1: Arad – Nadlac: 38,9 km
A1: Lugoj – Deva: 27,4 km (Lotul 1: Lugoj - Dumbrava)
A1: Deva – Orastie: 32,8 km
A1: Orastie – Sibiu: 82,1 km
A2: Cernavoda – Medgidia*: 20 km
A3: Intrarea in Bucuresti: 6,5 km
A3: Surplacu de Barcau – Bors: 64 km
A3: Gilau – Nadaselu: 8,7 km
TOTAL completed 2013: 280,4 km

evolution of motorway network lenght 2008 - 2013:
2008: 262,9 km
2009: 304,9 km
2010: 332,5 km
2011: 390,15 km

2012: 494,9 km
2013: 775,3 km
* might be delivered end-2012
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Old December 20th, 2011, 02:46 PM   #4089
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Bravo Romania . I see significant progress in improvement road infrastructure. Likewise to Poland in this country many sections of high speed road constructions was started in last years.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 02:55 PM   #4090
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Thanks! I also agree there's visible progress in both countries in the past few years.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 02:56 PM   #4091
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This stats appear to be good, but I have one little objection to add: half of Deva-Orastie is schedueld to be opened next year (according to the contract), not in 2013, so it's even better.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 11:20 AM   #4092
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Too bad we didn't top the 400 km threshold this year.

But next year will break 2 limits: 400 and maybe 500 km. And in 2013 the 700 km ceiling!
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And in 2013 the 700 km ceiling!
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Yeap, 700 km is about 25% of Romania's basic motorway needs.
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did you mean a percentage of total expectation or probability ?
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Old December 21st, 2011, 04:36 PM   #4096
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Good news: it seems the EU Commssion will agree on a Romanian Gov proposal to shift some EU funds from other sectors to the funding for CIV motorways, and specifically to Pitesti-Sibiu motorway (Pitesti-Valcea section) - one of the most expensive motorway to be built in Romania.
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Pitesti - Valcea? From what I know, the motorway will go to Curtea de Arges and will be at about 20-30 km from Valcea.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 10:23 AM   #4098
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Yes, the motorway will go by Curtea de Arges. That's how it was reported in the media.

It's unclear what's exactly the lenght they are discussing, but it's probably a first segment after Pitesti in the direction of Curtea de Arges.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 12:22 PM   #4099
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Can you give us the source Le Clerk?
I don't believe anything that Romanian Media is telling us because they usually have unprofessional students that seek only sensations.
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http://www.capital.ro/detalii-artico...le-158518.html

It's a statement of the EU Affairs Minister actually.
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