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Old January 7th, 2012, 09:20 AM   #4121
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The motorways which are planned in PPP are Comarnic-Fagaras, Sibiu-Pitesti, Tg Mures-Iasi and Bucharest Ring.

From this list, I think Comarnic-Fagaras has most chances, though Sibiu-Pitesti is also becoming more and more important once the motorway sections on CIV (Arad-Bucuresti) are starting to take shape.

Tg Mures-Iasi has been approved for Ten-T financing (but that's limited to 30-40% only) so we'll see what happens.

Bucharest Ring is going to be a pure PPP and as a incentive, the investor in Buhcarest Ring will also get the concession of A1 from Bucharest to Pitesti.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 12:35 AM   #4122
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thanks a lot Le Clerk.sure hope that all projects will become reality.we need them
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Old January 9th, 2012, 09:00 AM   #4123
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OK, so let's recap again what we may see opened in 2012:


(A1) Arad by-pass -12 km (CERTAIN)
(A1) Orastie-Simeria - 18 km (POSSIBLE)
(A2) Medgidia-Murfatlar - 16 km (CERTAIN)
(A2) Cernavoda-Medgidia - 20 km (POSSIBLE)
(A3) Bucuresti-Ploiesti - 55 km (CERTAIN)
(A3) Bucuresti-Bucuresti Ring - 7 km (UNPROBABLE)
(A3) Suplacu-Bors - 18 km (POSSIBLE)
(A4) Valu lui Traian-Ovidiu - 11 km (CERTAIN)


So:

94 km of CERTAIN openings
150 km of CERTAIN and POSSIBLE openings


Currently, there are 376 km of motorway U/C and another 126 km should become U/C in 2012.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 12:18 PM   #4124
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And something interesting - motorway opening history and predictions for 2012 and 2013:




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Old January 9th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #4125
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Bank of China will operate on the Romanian market, starting 2012

Date: 09-01-2012

One of the oldest banks in the world, the giant Bank of China with state capital will open in 2012 a branch or even an office in Romania, the economic and commercial representative of the Embassy of the People’s Republic of China to Bucharest Liu Qiwei said only for AGERPRES“ After three days of professional meetings in Romania, the Bank of China delegation, led by the vice-chairman of the branch in Budapest, Zhang Gang, appreciated that it was a successful visit. In the meetings they had in Bucharest, Bank of China expressed its desire to open a branch or even an office in Romania to support the development and the diversification of the commercial bilateral relations, in the benefit of Chinese investors and Romanian companies with business interest in China” the economic and commercial advisor of the Embassy Liu Qiwei said

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You know why BoC opens an office in Romania, don't you?
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LOL. Swedish Foreign Office has stated today it is interested in finacing Pitesti-Sibiu motorway in a PPP JV with the Romanian Gov. They also bashed Chinese investments in infrastructure and warned the RO Gov to be careful about them.

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LOL. Swedish Foreign Office has stated today it is interested in finacing Pitesti-Sibiu motorway in a PPP JV with the Romanian Gov. They also bashed Chinese investments in infrastructure and warned the RO Gov to be careful about them.

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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #4128
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The bad experience Romania already has is from European constructors:
- FCC with almost 2 years delay of Vidin - Calafat bridge (but EU covered them and extended the financial support)
- Astaldi Todini and others who have abandoned Sibiu bypass in 2007
- Proodestiki (Greece) who has been sent home after delaying the Cochiuta railway overpass

It seems Romania does not pay attention to companies which have cheated in the past.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 02:22 AM   #4129
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I agree with Swedish Foreign Office...Let s don t forget the Polish episode and on the other side, we should expect that we won t be able to get rid of them later (Chinese government interests in EU ), so...
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Old January 10th, 2012, 02:36 AM   #4130
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Do anybody knows some details about Petea -Baia Mare expressway/ motorway + Gutai Tunnel ? Is it for real ?

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Old January 10th, 2012, 08:26 AM   #4131
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I agree with Swedish Foreign Office...Let s don t forget the Polish episode and on the other side, we should expect that we won t be able to get rid of them later (Chinese government interests in EU ), so...
I don't agree actually with what the Swedish are doing. If they want to spend some of their financial surpluses investing in a PPP in Romania, that's fine, thank you, well done! But don't start by bashing the Chinese or any other party willing to do the same. It just doesn't sound professional. Let's hope the Swedish will do more than just bashing others.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 08:33 AM   #4132
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The bad experience Romania already has is from European constructors:
- FCC with almost 2 years delay of Vidin - Calafat bridge (but EU covered them and extended the financial support)
- Astaldi Todini and others who have abandoned Sibiu bypass in 2007
- Proodestiki (Greece) who has been sent home after delaying the Cochiuta railway overpass

It seems Romania does not pay attention to companies which have cheated in the past.
FCC did a good job in Romania actually. For the Vidin-Calafat bridge, FCC is a contractor only for Bulgaria. But it would be a good idea for Romania&Bulgaria to jointly sanction the bad contractors in their respective countries IMO.

As for Todini, AFAIK, they were not paid in due time.

On the other hand, the Greek companies in general have a bad track in Romania and you don't see them doing motorway works currently.

PS: The Romanian Gov has latelly learnt IMO how to deal with contractors in confrontational cases, including by early termination of some contracts or by fining delays. That led to a good rate of works we can see today on certain sections of C IV, where works are even in advance.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 09:17 AM   #4133
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I don't agree actually with what the Swedish are doing. If they want to spend some of their financial surpluses investing in a PPP in Romania, that's fine, thank you, well done! But don't start by bashing the Chinese or any other party willing to do the same. It just doesn't sound professional. Let's hope the Swedish will do more than just bashing others.
definately nothing is for free, even good advices, which come from friendly government. I fully agree with you.

on the other hand, let us even not forget Sweden somehow supports Romania by paying nice sums to EU budget, which later is distributed to poorer EU countries (among them Romania). so Mr. Le Clerk, Swedish do more than bashing others - they support the budget Romania later spends.

any investment in Romania with EU flag - some of financing comes from Sweden.

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Old January 10th, 2012, 09:56 AM   #4134
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I agree but I don't think it's related to this. There are 10 PPP projects worth each over EUR 1 billion currently on the Gov priority list, many in motorways, so the Swedes have plenty of choice there, and do not need to exclude others.

I somehow have the feeling it's related to the multirole fighter aquisition on which Romania will probably make a decision this year, and where Gripen is competing with F-16, but let's not go into that.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #4135
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I wanted to underline that there is a complicity between EU commision (which provides the money and extends the deadlines, when delayed), the constructors (from EU countries) which delay some works and Romanian govt. which still accept on auctions constructors that have been proved to delay works in the past.

In a normal situation EU financing of Vidin - Calafat bridge should have been canceled and FCC advertised as a bad contractor all over Europe.
But EU covering for FCC makes bad things go further, while European press is full of anti-Chinese propaganda based on some mistakes they made in Poland (I don't know very well the Polish case, but I know Chinese are guilty).
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Is there someone that knows if the project for the last 8km from A3 (from the Ring to Bucharest) was finalized? And if yes, where is going to be the terminus point and when will the execution be finalized ?
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Last term mentioned by CNADNR is October 5th, 2012: http://www.adevarul.ro/locale/ploies...25137886.html#
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Do anybody knows some details about Petea -Baia Mare expressway/ motorway + Gutai Tunnel ? Is it for real ?
Or.. it s a pre-election fire cracker ?
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Old January 11th, 2012, 10:50 PM   #4139
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Do anybody knows some details about Petea -Baia Mare expressway/ motorway + Gutai Tunnel ? Is it for real ?
Or.. it s a pre-election fire cracker ?
I think it's just some pre-election promises... few years ago we also had Arad-Oradea expressway but it was nothing more than a promise.
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Anyway, despite of crisis,Hungary has almost finished their Vaja-Petea motorway/expressway arriving close to the Ro-Hu border (Petea, SM) ..in the meantime on Romanian territory there was no tender either..yet.
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