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Old April 27th, 2012, 10:22 PM   #4441
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So, the new Government (opposition) will inaugurate close to 200 km of new motorway this year, after doing nothing for that.
That happens in nearly every civilized country with elections. As a matter of fact there is often 6 - 8, if not more years between planning, funding, constructing and opening a motorway. Unless you have a Kim Jong-un style democratic country.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 11:06 PM   #4442
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Large bit of offtopic, but former Bulgarian dictator Todor Zhivkov used to say about infrastructure "all that my government built, the next ones would not be able even to paint it in less than 20 years"... Looks like he was right, if we judge by the state of Bebresh viaduct on A2 and numerous other important pieces of infrastructure...
So it is highly probable that the next Romanian government will not even finish all motorways that are in construction at the moment, so even others after it will open some of them
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Old April 27th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #4443
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The trouble is, for the particular matter of motorways, that the proposed minister is a poor one, a much poor choice than the ones we had so far and who did push indeed for much progress in terms of motorways. I would like to see a similar rate of progress if not more, but I have my doubts. I am not saying the current contracts and expected openings will not happen this year, but the improvement we have seen so far might not continue in the future. I hope I will be proven wrong.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #4444
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Same Balkan's stories all around Bulgarian government did not fall but the good minister of infrastructure, after his successful work and good rating was chosen from his political party for president and elected, so he was replaced by a poorer choice... Well she still does her job properly, some kind of inertia
Hope there will be enough inertia with the Romanian projects too
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Old April 28th, 2012, 12:00 AM   #4445
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Bad Karma indeed. We would be really pissed off if the new minister skrewed things bad from where they stand now.

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Back to motorways - some fresh and rare pics of works on Transylvania Motorway (Campia Turzii-Gilau section) - yes, works seem to be going ahead:


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Lucrarile per ansamblu:

Accesul si grinzile:

Pilonii, sunt in numar de 6:

Terasament

De aici incepe:

...si distanta pana la prima pereche de piloni. Nu e prea mare?

Seria:

Cred ca vor pune grinzile odata ce vor termina si peretele de pe partea dreapta.

Breteaua de acces pe directia Turda-Campia Turzii:

Important e, ca se lucreaza.
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Old April 28th, 2012, 01:32 AM   #4446
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Back to motorways - some fresh and rare pics of works on Transylvania Motorway (Campia Turzii-Gilau section) - yes, works seem to be going ahead:
I must add something to your post because the international readers of this section might not know: Campia Turzii - Gilau section of A3 is completed and opened to traffic, but the contract with Bechtel stated that they also have to complete the bridge over Somes river after Gilau (after the exit). The pictures are from that bridge, which doesn't affect in any way the traffic on this 52 km motorway section, but will be used after the next section (Gilau-Nadaselu) will be built (sometime in the future... because this next section is not even tendered).

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Old May 2nd, 2012, 12:02 AM   #4447
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Thanks for the observation. There are people who may not know about that section of A3 indeed.

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Some pictures of Timisoara-Lugoj motorwayn works (Lot 1 - 9.5 km) which appparently will open 9 months in advance - this summer (according to ministerial statements):







http://www.adevarul.ro/locale/timiso...92380771.html#
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 12:41 AM   #4448
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Message for Nazare and Boagiu :You did a good job ! Unfortunately, i m afraid the succesors won t be so..motivated ...
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 08:03 AM   #4449
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EUR 4 billion (four ******* Euro billions) saved by the former government will be ******* poored into pension and bonuses for the public sector by our new dear socialist communist government. This money will be REMOVED from infrastructure allocations for this year, as one of the first "economic" measures.

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Old May 2nd, 2012, 09:51 AM   #4450
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^ Please, chill!

First, it wasn't prime minister's statement, but someone else's, who is - we all know - a very stupid guy.

Second, let's assume it is true (and I believe it is). I've seen yesterday at TV a PSD politician declaring that the motorway program won't be threaten and all money will be redirected from the huge laundry machine of Mrs. Udrea, meaning that they will stop building sport halls and artesian aquifers in villages inhabited by only three families and which don't even have water and gas infrastructure.

And third, I don't feel empathy for the public sector, but I think you should take a look around and ask yourself how retired people still manage to live. My aunt has a pension of 100 Euros, which is only enough to cover her expenses, but not to buy food, not to mention new clothes or - God forbid! - new furniture. I consider myself a liberal, not a socialist, but I don't think we should simply let those people die because one stupid government (read: Emil Boc government) decides to create the most dramatic austerity in Europe (please, don't tell me about Greece: the minimum wage in Greece has decreased for only 14 months at 586 Euros). It doesn't make me feel better if Romania is looking pretty in IMF statistics; which is the purpose of the so called reforms (it is not a reform to cut the money from people already poor, but leave untouched and unharmed privileges of the tens of thousands employees of the state owned companies: gas, electricity and so on) if the people will never be the beneficiary? I'm not saying to spend all the money saved, of course, but we should spare something with wisdom. Of course, I don't think the new government will have that wisdom...

What I want to say is, I also look with mistrust at the new government, but I think we should wait a little bit and see, before inflaming ourselves.
And you maybe should take care when labeling someone. "Communist"? Oh, please!, the former prime minister was a member in Central Committee of Union of Communist Youth. After a career with Romanian secret service, he is in my opinion a perfect example of a communist Apparatchik.
This is all I have to say before it gets even more off-topic.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 10:43 AM   #4451
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Giving the money to the poor wont make them live better. It will be populist act that will have some quite short effect, and then after this money is gone they will be again poor. Even poorer. The only way to help permanently the poor is to improve the economy of the country. And this is possible not by "eating and drinking" all the money at the moment, but by investing it in infrastructure, which will help the economy earn more money, which will be "eaten and drank" all the following years.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 02:37 PM   #4452
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... in time of crisis all plans are revised, not to exclude national motorway building programme. this is normal, and do not blame any government.

you guys should have expected it long time ago. btw: I am always very impressed with very optimistic news published here by some users. the news I ma talking about has never anything to do with reality, but still kept published.

if - for years - the national motorway building programme was performed the way it had been performed, you simply could not jump to the reality with 150 km of new motorways a year.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 08:25 PM   #4453
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I won't go into politics anymore, but the news are as bad as it gets. With EUR 4 billion (which is not fake news BTW) they could just do another corridor in Romania, at the very least.

@ and802: some of the good news posted here have confirmed, others have not. There's no point to argue on this anymore. It's getting boring.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 08:58 PM   #4454
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A3 Bucharest - Ploiesti motorway is about half completed and half still u/c. The completed section (close to Ploiesti) can't be opened because it's useless without the other section (close to Bucharest). The Transport Ministry wants this motorway opened on May 15th, but I think that it's an impossible task, considering that they still have to work at some bridges. When it will be opened it will be just between Bucharest northern bypass and Ploiesti bypass. The connection between Bucharest and Bucharest bypass is u/c (works have just started) and should be completed this year (quite a hard task IMO).

Some recent pics from A3 Bucharest - Ploiesti u/c motorway taken by our forum member Baiazid:

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La 1.3 km mai spre Bucuresti de podul peste Prahova, A3 este supratraversata de DC93.



Lucrarea este in stadiu avansat si arata foarte bine.



Are si un trotuar foarte bine protejat de parapeti.



Dar cel mai important, privind de aici spre podul peste Prahova, planul este clar: daca-i musai, cel putin pe acest tronson, A3 se va deschide doar pe un singur fir! Respectiv Ploiesti => Bucuresti.





Spre Bucuresti se vad in ordine podurile DJ100B si respectiv DJ101D. Undeva intre ele este si un spatiu de servicii, care insa nu se vede in poza. Oricum, spatiile de servicii sunt total neamenajate.





Pe firul Bucuresti => Ploiesti se lucreaza la canalul de dren.



E drept ca nici pe sensul spre Bucuresti canalul nu e gata, dar n-o sa ne mai luam de la atata lucru Apropo, cine vede muntii in poza de mai jos? Nu dealurile de dupa padure, muntii...



Acum se vad mai bine?!



Si la aceasta traversare exista drumuri de acces de urgenta pe ambele sensuri. Cu putin efort, unele dintre aceste traversari in viitor pot deveni noduri pe autostrada, macar pe un sens.





Si la final un drive-teasing Spre Bucuresti:


Si spre Ploiesti, e drept ca pe contrasens



Asadar, privind de aici, inaugurarea pare aproape. Dar cert, in prima faza, va fi doar pe un sens. Extrapoland evolutia podului peste Prahova dintre 6 aprilie si 2 mai, deschiderea integrala "la gata" pe ambele sensuri ar fi cel mai devreme la sfarsitul lui iunie.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 09:03 PM   #4455
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They want to open this motorway bridge in 2 weeks (image is 2-3 weeks old):



A subcontractor on this motorway section has added some pics on it's website. Here are some of them:













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Old May 2nd, 2012, 09:05 PM   #4456
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Giving the money to the poor wont make them live better. It will be populist act that will have some quite short effect, and then after this money is gone they will be again poor. Even poorer. The only way to help permanently the poor is to improve the economy of the country. And this is possible not by "eating and drinking" all the money at the moment, but by investing it in infrastructure, which will help the economy earn more money, which will be "eaten and drank" all the following years.
Normally, I would agree with you, but I think you don't know exactly how it is here. I am not saying to send money in envelopes, I'm saying to increase the pensions a little bit, just to keep our mothers and fathers alive (I am liberal, but no neoliberal; for me, my real parents are more important than bureaucratic IMF statistics which shows a hypothetical Romanian economy which will fly high to the sky).

Le Clerk is painting the image of a Prince Charming (previous government) fighting the communist dragon (present government). The dragon will completely cut all investments, leaving the motorways abandoned, and will spend on populist politics all the money carefully saved by the hardworking ants of Mr. Boc and Mr. Ungureanu (previous prime ministers). Wrong! For me, there is absolutely no difference between the two.

Let's talk a little bit about the so called "right wing" government which is about to leave: the red line of that government was to create austerity by cutting costs. So far, so good. But what they have really done: tried to cut 20% of retired people pensions (luckily, that measure has been declared unconstitutional), and then they've made wages reductions and fired thousands of people from the public sector. I completely agree with those measures! BUT! 'Cause there is a "but". They've left untouched, unharmed and relaxed the tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of employees working in the huge state owned companies from the energy sector (as I wrote before, mainly gas and electricity companies, but also state owned banks). Those employees have unbelievable privileges, they are usually working till 15.30 o'clock (if they are working indeed), they have months of vacations per year, partially payed by their companies (read: by us all), bonuses, high wages, part of the gas or electricity consumption at their homes payed by their companies (read again: by us all) and so on... I'm not saying all these because I've read them in newspapers. No!, I have friends working in such companies. And they are working there together with their wives and sometimes children. It is impossible for someone from outside the system to get a job in those companies!

Now, let me tell you about me: currently, I am working on a motorway. One of the reasons why I left Romanian forums of SSC is that many users have a very irritating attitude: they are stating that all companies which are building roads and motorways should work around the clock, 24/7. Yes, I work all day long, from Monday to Saturday, including National Day of Romania (when I left the site at 19.00 o'clock). I worked also on May 1st, when 90% of Romania (and Eastern Europe) had a small vacation between 28.04-01.05. I just can't understand the reason why I should work like a slave, when my friends from the state owned companies were in Greece, on a beach.

I'm sorry for this long post, but I reacted to Le Clerk's not because I trust the new government (frankly, I don't, it will be an usually populist post-communist government, so I already hate it), but because Le Clerk is defending another government, conducted by a perfect communist apparatchik, which had the COMMUNIST idea to limit to only 10% the compensations which should be payed to all former owners of houses, lands and factories robbed by the communist regime, that's why I felt the need to react.

I know this is off-topic and I hope ChrisZwolle won't kick me off. I will post some pictures instead, to save myself...

Bypass Arad motorway, one and a half months before the handover:






Bridge on A1 motorway (towards Hungary) over bypass Arad:


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I know this is off-topic and I hope ChrisZwolle won't kick me off. I will post some pictures instead, to save myself...
I am sure that ChrisZwolle will forgive you if you provide us more pictures from Arad bypass
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nenea_hartia,

I second you with your findings, just all complicated/complex things take some time, you could not count them in months, but rather years.

Romania - as any other eastern europe state - needs some time to convert back to the rules which are obeyed in western countries for ages. whether it is post/ex-comunist government or its opponent from right wing party - it makes no difference. I believe we need another 20 years and many bad/wrong habits will be gone. but by that time we will be "suffering from" some situations, which are - for open-minded people - wrong or sometimes simply backwards to what we have already achieved.

I believe sometimes we do not see any positive changes (I am taking about myself actually), but when I look back where we were 30 years ago and where we are at present I can see a huge, huge difference. now, just compare where you were 5 years ago, and where you are now with - for example - motorway construction. you say you represent motorway construction industry - so you know the best complexity of your job. the older you are the faster time goes by. in 10 years you will be surprised how much Romania achieved in so short time.
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in 10 years you will be surprised how much Romania achieved in so short time.
I am already . Thank you for serve me the pill.

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nenea_hartia i would also like to comment your post from above...I live in a country(austria) where they sometimes work 24/7 in road construction and the workers are wellcoming the situation because they are payed accordingly and it's not an every day thing so it's not like anybody is takeing advantage of them. it's a fair trade for everyone. just my 2c. I would also like to tell you that you work is very much appriciated and it's a pity that our connationals can't say "thank you" that easily. stay well and think about us when you do your job as well as I am sure you do.
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