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Old May 3rd, 2012, 12:07 AM   #4461
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The quicker you construct motorways,the quicker your economy will improve.!
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 01:02 AM   #4462
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Normally, I would agree with you, but I think you don't know exactly how it is here. I am not saying to send money in envelopes, I'm saying to increase the pensions a little bit, just to keep our mothers and fathers alive (I am liberal, but no neoliberal; for me, my real parents are more important than bureaucratic IMF statistics which shows a hypothetical Romanian economy which will fly high to the sky).
You know what? I do not agree. You can call me a heartless person, a villain, but my parents' pensions were also reduced. And you know why? Because you and I are paying our parents' pensions and not from some magic reserve that was created out of their work 30 years ago, as most of the current pensioneers are claiming. Yes, the current pensions are payed out of our incomes. And if our incomes got reduced because of the crisis, as it happened to mine, for example, it's economically and mathematically impossible to pay the same amount of pensions, unless Greece is the "solution". And, another thing, when my income was reduced, I had no union to go to and no government to cry and sware to, because I never worked in the public sector. It was just the economy (not even the Romanian economy, but the global economy), and I had to take it as it were, work harder, seek another opportunity, make efforts to improve myself, and now I am ok, much better payed, but work at least 10 hours/day, a lot of weekends, and yes, 1st of May too. And I do not get offence for that.

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Le Clerk is painting the image of a Prince Charming (previous government) fighting the communist dragon (present government). The dragon will completely cut all investments, leaving the motorways abandoned, and will spend on populist politics all the money carefully saved by the hardworking ants of Mr. Boc and Mr. Ungureanu (previous prime ministers). Wrong! For me, there is absolutely no difference between the two.
You need to be hypocritical not to see the immense progress that was made in motorway construction in Romania in the past 3 years. I think everyone is aware of that. And yes, I am afraid that these good times are not warranted, and that they may change for worse, especially after seeing the deeds of the proposed socialist government, including the proposed transportation minister.

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Let's talk a little bit about the so called "right wing" government which is about to leave: the red line of that government was to create austerity by cutting costs. So far, so good. But what they have really done: tried to cut 20% of retired people pensions (luckily, that measure has been declared unconstitutional), and then they've made wages reductions and fired thousands of people from the public sector. I completely agree with those measures! BUT! 'Cause there is a "but". They've left untouched, unharmed and relaxed the tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of employees working in the huge state owned companies from the energy sector (as I wrote before, mainly gas and electricity companies, but also state owned banks). Those employees have unbelievable privileges, they are usually working till 15.30 o'clock (if they are working indeed), they have months of vacations per year, partially payed by their companies (read: by us all), bonuses, high wages, part of the gas or electricity consumption at their homes payed by their companies (read again: by us all) and so on... I'm not saying all these because I've read them in newspapers. No!, I have friends working in such companies. And they are working there together with their wives and sometimes children. It is impossible for someone from outside the system to get a job in those companies!
This was always the case. Never assume that if another government comes, the perks in the public companies will be gone. It will never hapen. We are all aware of that. I know you are mad, as a private employee, about those perks, I am too, but they will not be gone soon, and we are not made for that, I suppose, because such jobs are not for us.

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Now, let me tell you about me: currently, I am working on a motorway. One of the reasons why I left Romanian forums of SSC is that many users have a very irritating attitude: they are stating that all companies which are building roads and motorways should work around the clock, 24/7. Yes, I work all day long, from Monday to Saturday, including National Day of Romania (when I left the site at 19.00 o'clock). I worked also on May 1st, when 90% of Romania (and Eastern Europe) had a small vacation between 28.04-01.05. I just can't understand the reason why I should work like a slave, when my friends from the state owned companies were in Greece, on a beach.
Because it's what You do, it's what You like to do, ity's what gives You satisfaction, it's what You leave behind. Otherwise, Your "friends" will always brag about how easy their life goes by, but in the end, 20 years on from now, You'll tell them: "look, I worked on that motorway, and it's still there 20 years on".

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I'm sorry for this long post, but I reacted to Le Clerk's not because I trust the new government (frankly, I don't, it will be an usually populist post-communist government, so I already hate it), but because Le Clerk is defending another government, conducted by a perfect communist apparatchik, which had the COMMUNIST idea to limit to only 10% the compensations which should be payed to all former owners of houses, lands and factories robbed by the communist regime, that's why I felt the need to react.
I agree, but if you read the Romanian forum, the politics thread, you'll see why I, and some others, have such reactions. This is not a topic here, and I do not want to further raise political issues.

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I know this is off-topic and I hope ChrisZwolle won't kick me off. I will post some pictures instead, to save myself...
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Bypass Arad motorway, one and a half months before the handover:
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Old May 10th, 2012, 12:37 AM   #4463
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What s up with Ploiesti - Bucuresti motorway ? There is any chance for opening next week (i.m. 15 May) ?
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:54 AM   #4464
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What s up with Ploiesti - Bucuresti motorway ? There is any chance for opening next week (i.m. 15 May) ?
nope...
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:12 PM   #4465
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when is the vidin/calafat bridge going to be inaugurated finally? i am curious of the affect it will have on transit through serbia. i mean you have now almost a full profile 2x2 motorway all the way on serbian territory from north to south/south east, but you gonna be probably still faster by going through romania (towards greece or turkey) since you must never leave eu.

and one more question, and sorry if it was already asked and discussed, but had it not been a better idea to build that bridge somewhere more close to craiova? i mean now the only use of this bridge is to avoid serbia...
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #4466
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when is the vidin/calafat bridge going to be inaugurated finally? i am curious of the affect it will have on transit through serbia. i mean you have now almost a full profile 2x2 motorway all the way on serbian territory from north to south/south east, but you gonna be probably still faster by going through romania (towards greece or turkey) since you must never leave eu.
That bridge might be open at the end of this year.

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and one more question, and sorry if it was already asked and discussed, but had it not been a better idea to build that bridge somewhere more close to craiova? i mean now the only use of this bridge is to avoid serbia...
I've heard that the Romanians wanted to build that bridge somewhere closer to Craiova, but the Bulgarians insisted to build it at Vidin/Calafat.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:24 PM   #4467
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most,where are youuu???

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Old May 10th, 2012, 10:15 PM   #4468
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I've heard that the Romanians wanted to build that bridge somewhere closer to Craiova, but the Bulgarians insisted to build it at Vidin/Calafat.
not understandable from bulgarian side. sofia would not be further away if building the bridge closer to craiova. anyway, interesting...

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Old May 10th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #4469
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not understandable from bulgarian side. sofia would not be further away if building the bridge closer to craiova. anyway, interesting...



thanks, dude
It´s a long story, negotiationes lasted for at least one decade.

AFAIK, the N-W region in Bulgaria, with Vidin as its main city, is the poorest in the country(if not in the whole EU). The bulgarian goverment wanted to boost the economy by building the bridge in that corner, and of course as close as possible to the main agglomeration area.
Now,the strategy seems to become a succes, according to the news announcing a big chinese automotive investment(car production plant,Geely i think) in Vidin.

It´s also important to be metionated that Bulgaria is financing almost the whole project, Romania's part is just the connecting infrastructure to the bridge. Also due some political reasons...

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Old May 10th, 2012, 11:07 PM   #4470
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The Romanians wanted to build that bridge somewhere closer to Bucharest, but the Bulgarians insisted to build it at Vidin/Calafat.
From my part, it's a good choice because will be a shorter link between Bucharest and Belgrade. Will be a good link from Adriatic Sea to Black Sea, also. And is also useful for C IV, southern branch, because will be the shorter way on the EU territoy between Budapest and Sofia. And other advantages...
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Old May 10th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #4471
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As Bulgarians are supposed to use it towards more western and central European destinations, the more to the west is the bridge, the shortest the way is, as the way to Lugoj-Timisoara-Hungary doesnt pass through Craiova, but goes directly to Drobeta-Turnu Severin. For destinations close to Bucarest, there is the existing Ruse-Giurgiu bridge.
The Romanian government wanted the bridge to be at Oriahovo-Bechet, which would be the shortest way from Sofia (and via it Thessaloniki) to Craiova, but not to the west.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 01:17 PM   #4472
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EUR 4 billion (four ******* Euro billions) saved by the former government will be ******* poored into pension and bonuses for the public sector by our new dear socialist communist government. This money will be REMOVED from infrastructure allocations for this year, as one of the first "economic" measures.

Long Live the Communist Republic of Romania!
Actually, there were 5 billion saved, or so I've heard. 5 billion poured into social security! Long live our Che!
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Old May 11th, 2012, 01:22 PM   #4473
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And this is possible not by "eating and drinking" all the money at the moment, but by investing it in infrastructure, which will help the economy earn more money,
Considering what's going on in Spain and Portugal, not even investing in infrastructure is sure to uplift a nation. More like it creates a construction bubble that causes a lot of trauma when it bursts.
But anyways, better with infrastructure than without.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 01:27 PM   #4474
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You..., you're mean, you.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 02:23 PM   #4475
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Some pictures made on Sunday morning on DN59 Timisoara - Stamora Moravita border crossing.

After leaving Timisoara:



The road is excelent here:





Until Deta the road is quite old and patched, but there are no potholes so you can drive safe:




At the return trip I was almost caught by a speed camera at the descent on this overpass with 70 50 km/h



Intersection with DN58B to Resita:



Deta bypass is very wide:



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Approaching Moravita:



Stamora Moravita border crossing is ahead:



Romanian checkpoint at the border crossing:



Entering Serbia (between the 2 checkpoints):



Serbian checkpoint:



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Pictures from Serbian part of the road are here: [SRB] Serbian motorways • Autoputevi /Aутопутеви
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Old May 11th, 2012, 02:47 PM   #4477
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This road could easily be transformed into a motorway between Timiosara and Belgrade (and it wouldnt cost a lot).!
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Old May 11th, 2012, 03:03 PM   #4478
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I think that the existing road is fine for now. If I were to decide, I would just make a motorway from Timisoara about 30 km to the south, and another one from Belgrade untill after Pancevo + Vrsac bypass. This would be fine for the next years...
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