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Old May 14th, 2012, 12:51 PM   #4501
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Here are some of the pictures I took last Saturday on the Bucuresti - Ploiesti section of A3. The construction started back in 2005 and the opening was repeatedly postponed starting with 2009, up to the point when the works were completly abandoned for some time.

However, last year the work restarted at high pace and we had again a series of new opening dates (October, November, December etc.), followed by delays. The last official opening date was 15th of May, which definitely can't be met. The new unofficial date is 1st of June 2012. The motorway will definitely not be complete by then, but indeed, there's a good chance that the traffic will be opened, maybe half profile on several kilometers.

The delays were caused mainly by the construction of the bridges crossing the rivers and the creeks between Bucuresti an Ploiesti.



































The complete gallery of this week-end you can see on the A3 Romanian section
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Old May 14th, 2012, 03:59 PM   #4502
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postponed

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delays

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The delays
The story of the Romanian motorway.

Well, better late than never, I suppose.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 05:04 PM   #4503
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Well, it only took us 20 years to actually start building motorways Because nowadays we can say that Romania it's really involved in building a motorway network.

Of course that as soon as the a section such as A3 Bucuresti - Ploiesti will be open for traffic, all the delays will be very soon forgotten. Even if we're talking about 56km of motorway in flat land, built in 7 years, once it will be open, nobody we'll care about the delays anymore.

Things have changed a lot in the past 2-3 years. I mean, five years ago, once a contract for construction was signed, nobody believed the price and the deadline are for real: neither the government, nor the constructor. Not even the people.

Today however, everybody pays more attention to the subject, so construction costs and deadlines are more reliable. There's actually one section of A1 Timisoara - Lugoj which is supposed to be opened this Summer, one year ahead of schedule.

Generally speaking, beside the official deadlines, there's actually a good felling that by 2013-2014 most of the motorway Nadlac - Sibiu - Bucuresti - Constanta (A1 + A2) will be completed, except of course the Carpathian crossing between Pitesti and Sibiu. Five years ago I couldn't have said that...

As for the A3 Bucuresti - Ploiesti, I'm convinced that it will be opened this year. Frankly I am myself happy with just that idea, regardless if it's actually June or September, as long as it's 2012. And as long as the works are good quality.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 06:58 PM   #4504
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Are you building some road from Hungary to Danube Bridge 2?
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Old May 14th, 2012, 09:00 PM   #4505
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Are you building some road from Hungary to Danube Bridge 2?
Part of it will be A1 Nadlac (HU border) - Arad - Timisoara - Lugoj and that's about 120km. Out of this, Arad - Timisoara is operational (Arad bypass only halfprofile, but planned to be complete this year), while Nadlac - Arad and Timisoara - Lugoj are under construction and are planned to open next year.

Further, the direct link to the bridge should cross the Carpathian Mountains south to Drobeta Turnu Severin. This is part of a planned Southern Motorway, which was recently brought to the public attention by the new government. They called it as one of their priorities. This motorway should follow mostly the National Road 6 on the route Bucuresti - Craiova - Drobeta Turnu Severin - Lugoj, where it will join A1. This project is just starting, but we can estimate a construction start 2015-2016 and fully or partly operation in 2020.

The actual bridge connection is planned to be with two motorways: one from Craiova (~70 km) and one from Drobeta Turnu Severin to Calafat (~90 km). For the transit route from Hungary to Bulgaria, the shortest route would be the second one. However, the first link will be most likely the one from Craiova, probably also before 2020. But this is just a speculation. No one actually knows when it will happen.

However, it is true that the whole link Nadlac - Calafat is part of the IVth Corridor, South Branch, so there is a significant EU financial support for the route.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 09:34 PM   #4506
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They could do it in half the time if they worked 24 hour rota shifts.!
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Old May 14th, 2012, 09:45 PM   #4507
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They could do it in half the time if they worked 24 hour rota shifts.!
For 4 times as much personnel cost. There is no real urgency for this project, there is no massive traffic congestion for a hundred thousand road users every day due to these works or the lack of a connection.

Working 24/7 is very expensive and unnecessary for construction of new alignments. It's only useful in severely congested areas where you want to finish the works as fast as possible. These are usually projects on existing roads, like widenings or interchange construction.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 09:52 PM   #4508
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Yes,but the government will have to do a "Feasability"study,on the area,once all the other network is constructed!

e.g.Vidin Bridge,D3,D1etc

Public/private business is only attracted to the area, when the motorway is constructed.Then youll see a big change in traffic numbers.!
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Old May 14th, 2012, 10:07 PM   #4509
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24/7 past the deadline is "the student approach" Which most of us know is unhealthy; work like a maniac for a short time, the lay "dead" once the exam passed.

This can not be applied to a country. We had 12 years of no motorway construction at all. Then about 8 years of "some" construction, at slow pace, with money now and then. No we have a better pace, and it's picking up speed. We can't shift it up into the fifth gear of 24/7.

Beside the cost of the man power, imagine the logistic. I mean let's say we decide to build the network 24/7. Where do you get all the hardware? All the trucks, all the cranes, all the excavators? And once you get them, what do you do with them once the networks it's completely built in let's say 5-10 years? What do you do with the workers involved, once such a hard work it's completed? You can't simply discharge them by the thousands.

Much smarter and in sync with the economy is a steady development. This provides a healthy increase of the number of projects and of the number of the people involved etc.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 10:29 PM   #4510
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24/7 is a ROTA system. Each worker works 8 hour shifts,but at different times of the day.!

e.g. 08.00am-16.00pm
16.00pm-24.00pm
24.00pm-08.00am

This would save the Romanian government a fortune in Labour,material,overheads costs,+ intrest on loans etc(tax payers money remember).
Once,each project is finished,the workers can go on contract to another,similar project,in another part of the country.!
I reckon,Romania could finish the entire network in 10 years,if you do this shift.!

p.s.24 hour rota(havent they adopted this policy at the new cathedral,behind the parliment?)
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Old May 15th, 2012, 10:55 AM   #4511
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24/7 is a ROTA system. Each worker works 8 hour shifts,but at different times of the day.!
I'm well aware of the system. We had it for more then 20 years during the comunist age, at almost all production facilities and construction sites (roads, railways, buildings, Danube - Black Sea channel etc.). But it was just a system to keep everybody busy and employed. There was no economical principle involved in that. So it can't be applied nowadays.

Of course, there's a different story when we're talking about individual projects. One example of a 24/7 construction site is the Sky Tower in Bucharest.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:15 PM   #4512
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I'm well aware of the system. We had it for more then 20 years during the comunist age, at almost all production facilities and construction sites (roads, railways, buildings, Danube - Black Sea channel etc.). But it was just a system to keep everybody busy and employed. There was no economical principle involved in that. So it can't be applied nowadays.

Of course, there's a different story when we're talking about individual projects. One example of a 24/7 construction site is the Sky Tower in Bucharest.
The strategy for more "profitable"construction is the 24hour rota.!

Its happening with a lot of "individual projects" in Romania,but NOT on motorway construction.This is why i think your government should look into this more,because it will improve the Romanian economy a lot quciker.!

p.s.communist times are totally different in terms of budget,speed of work,quality checks,transportation logitics,plus there was no internet,mobile phone networks etc,back then.!
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Old May 15th, 2012, 08:35 PM   #4513
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These must be the worst motorway signs in Europe. I don't care if they're low on funds or whatever reason they have, but that simply looks like a joke purposely built to annoy drivers!

This is how proper motorway signs should look like:



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Old May 16th, 2012, 09:18 AM   #4514
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The sign is useless. We have a sighn on motorway, but you can see it actualy after leaving the motorway
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Old May 16th, 2012, 06:55 PM   #4515
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According to this news report, one of the constructors of the A3 Bucuresti - Ploiesti (Pa & Co) notified today the National Motorway and Road Company (CNADNR) that his 15km section of A3 is complete as of today and so the constructor requested the initiation of the acceptance procedure with CNADNR.

Just to clear the things up, the construction of this motorway was initially divided into 2 sections, awarded each to a different consortium of constructors. The first section of 19.5km starting from Bucharest was assigned to an Italian group of companies, while the rest of 42.5 km was assigned to a Romanian consortium of three constructors.

Later on, the contracts were split.

The Italian section was split in 2, due to the state failure to complete in time the expropriations inside the ring of Bucharest. So now we have 13 km strating from the Bucharest Ring outwards which are almost complete, while the remaining 6.5km are to be completed maybe this autumn.

The Romanian section was also split into separate sections among the members of the winning consortium.

The funny part is that the motorway is useless and can not be opened for traffic until all the 4 sections between Bucharest Ring and Ploiesti are complete, since the only two exists on the way are on the incomplete section.

Bottom line we have the following hilarious situation:
1. Section 1, 13 km, starting from Bucharest Ring, constructed by Pizzarotti - nearly completion
2. Section 2, 12.5 km, not ready. Promissed at 1st of June by the constructor
3. Section 3, 15 km, announced today as complete - useless yet
4. Section 4, 14.5 km next to Ploiesti, completed since December 2011 - useless yet

Anyway, the today announcement means that the sections below (pictures of last Saturday, so 4 days ago!!) are complete today! Which I seriously doubt. Or maybe miracles do happen...






















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Old May 16th, 2012, 09:34 PM   #4516
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What's with the red stuff?
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Old May 16th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #4517
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What's with the red stuff?
Which red stuff? This one? It's a substance applied on the concrete plate of the bridge after sandblasting it to increase its roughness (after this there will be applied the hidroisolation, like in this pic).

@Baiazid: thank you for your observations. Very well presented, but a big for the contractors...
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Old May 17th, 2012, 03:27 PM   #4518
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Which red stuff? This one? It's a substance applied on the concrete plate of the bridge after sandblasting it to increase its roughness (after this there will be applied the hidroisolation, like in this pic).
Thanks. Interesting, I was curious because I haven't seen them use something like that before.
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Old May 20th, 2012, 09:01 AM   #4519
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According to the new transport minister, the works on TM will continue after payment to Bechtel some due money. Does anybody know whether some calendar exists for the Suplacu-Bors section?


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Transport Minister: Work On Transylvania Highway To Move Ahead
05.18.2012

Work on the Transylvania Highway will continue in Bihor county after the Transport Ministry will pay US constructor Bechtel 98 million lei (EUR22 million), minister Ovidiu Silaghi announced Friday.
http://www.zfenglish.com/companies/a...-ahead-9642678
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EU funded roads, the driving engine in construction sector
BUSINESS | NINEOCLOCK | MAY 17TH, 2012 AT 9:00 PM

Civil constructions will be the major driving engine in the construction sector in Romania during next years, on the strength of EU financed projects, according to a study published Thursday by Polish research company PMR, Mediafax reports. Study estimates show the construction sector turnover rose 16 pc last year, to RON 35 bln (EUR 8.3 bln), mostly on the back of road infrastructure projects, with the up-trend likely to stay in place thru 2015. Residential and non-residential constructions saw a decline in 2011 and remain in a difficult situation. The road infrastructure sector showed no significant slumps in 2009 and 2010, despite Romania’s sever economic decline, quite the opposite, increased RON 18.7 bln (EUR 4.4 bln).
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