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Old August 30th, 2012, 06:21 PM   #4941
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But doesn't this mean the EU funding is less because the population in Romania is lower than before? That may actually cost you guys much more than a new census.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 07:06 PM   #4942
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But doesn't this mean the EU funding is less because the population in Romania is lower than before? That may actually cost you guys much more than a new census.
Bingo! And that is because the current parties in power (the left) called on the population not to submit to the census! And I am not kidding! That is why this census is a failure and doesn't catch all the population, because a large part of the political spectrum called on the people to boicott the census, which led to a huge discrepancy between facts and results of the referendum. It is estimated by the best sociologists in this country that at least 1.5 million people were not caught under the census.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #4943
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How can you boycott a census? It should be mandatory.

Anyway, the Netherlands doesn't hold censuses, we have a continuously up-to-date "grand municipal base administration" where everyone is accounted for. That means it's possible to check the exact amount of inhabitants at every day or time of the year.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 07:23 PM   #4944
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How can you boycott a census? It should be mandatory.
Well, to run a census, civil servants need to go through every home and ask people questions, various questions. Many people simply refused to open the door to these civil servants because they were told so by some political parties.

In addition, the time for the census was very short. They came to my home 3 times, left me a note, but I (and my family) was never home. We were not counted. And that hapenned to many acquaintances and neighbours. For ex, according to the census, Bucharest dropped in population for ex by 25% which is impossible, because the citiy's population actually grew over time, and the city grew quite significantly in size and number of dwellings. It was a mess which will hopefuly be corrected in 10 years from now.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 09:29 PM   #4945
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Well, I have another opinion:
- I agree the census was poorly organized, but I feel the 1.5 million Romanians not counted is exagerated (I admit I read this kind of estimation in newspapaers, but no proof or clues for it)

We also know all censuses in Romania are far from accurate at least for the Roma (gipsy) population:
- the gipsies living in the countryside often lead a semi-nomadic life, many of them don't have identity card and do not register their children at birth (and birth is at home, not in hospital and home is sometimes a chariot or a poor house)

We also have internal migration of workforce to cities with higher salaries (Bucharest is the highest):
- usually these people are living in rented apartments and do not register their contract of rent to authorities (in order to not pay taxes) =>
as consequence they don't register Bucharest as secondary residence in their identity card.
Result:
- when the censor arrive at their legal domicile, they are not reported.

But the decrease of Romanian population is confirmed by the number of registered workers (which has fallen by at least 1 million from 2002 til now).
Of course, there are workers not registered (being paid illegally).

As I said earlier:
- many Bucharestans have moved near Bucharest where they built houses,
but they work in Bucharest
What Bucharest lost as population, Ilfov county gained.

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Old August 30th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #4946
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Bucharestans ) that's a new word.
Am auzit-o si p-asta

p.s. Bucharest should be known only as Bucuresti in english and any other languages , as now there are many confussions with Budapest for example.(acesta fiind cuvantul original si in maghiara)
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Old August 31st, 2012, 08:21 AM   #4947
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Well, I have another opinion:
- I agree the census was poorly organized, but I feel the 1.5 million Romanians not counted is exagerated (I admit I read this kind of estimation in newspapaers, but no proof or clues for it)

We also know all censuses in Romania are far from accurate at least for the Roma (gipsy) population:
- the gipsies living in the countryside often lead a semi-nomadic life, many of them don't have identity card and do not register their children at birth (and birth is at home, not in hospital and home is sometimes a chariot or a poor house)

We also have internal migration of workforce to cities with higher salaries (Bucharest is the highest):
- usually these people are living in rented apartments and do not register their contract of rent to authorities (in order to not pay taxes) =>
as consequence they don't register Bucharest as secondary residence in their identity card.
Result:
- when the censor arrive at their legal domicile, they are not reported.

But the decrease of Romanian population is confirmed by the number of registered workers (which has fallen by at least 1 million from 2002 til now).
Of course, there are workers not registered (being paid illegally).

As I said earlier:
- many Bucharestans have moved near Bucharest where they built houses,
but they work in Bucharest
What Bucharest lost as population, Ilfov county gained.
These are non-professional assessments of the census. The reality is that sociologists have rejected the census for valid, methodology-based reasons. If the rate of non-accounted people in my circle of friends and family and my neighbours is confirmed at the level of the country, then about 15-20% of the population was not counted, which is actually what the sociologists claim. Anyway, this is offtopic.
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Old September 1st, 2012, 11:00 AM   #4948
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A1 Sibiu - Orăştie, 31 August 2012

Video made by eurocopter with contributions from members of the 2 forums mentioned below. The roadwork places are busy.

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Inca un filmulet realizat din contributiile membrilor SSC si peundemerg.ro aduce vesti bune. Forfota mare pe toate loturile.

Sambata frumoasa!
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Old September 1st, 2012, 11:03 AM   #4949
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Meanwhile on A1 Sibiu bypass an 60 year old man with an old Dacia entered the motorway in the wrong direction, and then he thought he should left turn and an accident occurred.

http://www.oradesibiu.ro/2012/08/30/...i-dusi-spital/
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Old September 2nd, 2012, 11:26 PM   #4950
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I see that Arad-Nadlac is ready on Google Maps. Can you post some pictures?
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Old September 2nd, 2012, 11:34 PM   #4951
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Sure, there you go:

Beautiful, ain't it?
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Old September 2nd, 2012, 11:37 PM   #4952
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It's not. Somebody seems to have decided to draw it earlier. The same for the other parts of A1
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Old September 3rd, 2012, 08:22 AM   #4953
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Back on-topic. Some pictures taken by myself yesterday evening with the Aciliu viaduct and the earthworks near Sacel viaduct:


Aciliu Viaduct:


Sacel Viaduct with the horizontal profiles on:

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viaductul Sacel

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And the earthworks at the end of the viaduct, towards Sibiu:



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Old September 3rd, 2012, 10:07 PM   #4954
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Thank You Chris for cleaning this mess!

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Back on-topic - a very cool video taken by one of our members of Sibiu-Orastie section of A1:

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Old September 3rd, 2012, 10:11 PM   #4955
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if you weren't so busy with your debates you would have seen I posted it 2 days ago
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Old September 3rd, 2012, 10:17 PM   #4956
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Sorry, I don't follow every post here ... I was away for the weekend from any internet connection, and only today saw the vid on the Romanian forum.
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Sorry, I don't follow every post here ... I was away for the weekend from any internet connection, and only today saw the vid on the Romanian forum.
That's OK, I was just teasing
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Old September 4th, 2012, 07:55 AM   #4958
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Some seemingly good new for Romania for the coming EU budget 2014-2020:

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Romania could be allotted up to EUR 47 bln during 2014-2020
SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2012 AT 9:00 PM

European Affairs State Secretary Razvan Cotovelea yesterday said that Romania could benefit during 2014-2020 from 40 to 47 bln euro. Cotovelea said that, late last week, he attended a meeting on allocation of non-redeemable funds during 2014-2020, with the 15 participating states reaching common ground on the issue at hand. The Ministry of European Affairs (MAEur) official also said that the European Council meeting this coming November will negotiate the final form of the European Union budget for the said interval, as well as the amount of non-returnable funds Romania will receive. “We are optimistic, as we also had been until 2009,” Razvan Cotovelea also said.
http://www.nineoclock.ro/romania-cou...ing-2014-2020/



The amount is almost double Romania had during 2007-2013. Hopefully, we'll get double the amount of investments in infrastructure too, as all the EU money allotted during 2007-2013 were already committed on various infrastructure contracts. This means, in theory, Romania could work on Sibiu-Pitesti and another corridor (CIV south or CIX or A3) at the same time.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #4959
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this very interesting...

but if you read it you will understand this message means nothing. a state secretary of one of Romanian Ministry has nothing to do with dealing with EU budget. I believe it is known for everybody. so if somebody tells you anything about what he/she cannot control, how to treat it ?

-as some good news
-no news at all
-publisher is crazy


and since holidays are over and 9/12 is a big day for all parites in Romania, I believe we all understand this is just a promised very tasty but never-seen-yet cake for election. decisions are taken in Brussels not in Bucuresti.

spiderman, once you publish EU commisioner statement without words: "would", "could", "might", "should" this will be definately good news. all others is just a crap.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #4960
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The EU Commission is not the body that decides the overall size and allocation of the structural funds, it is the European Council. And details of what the Council decides is usually hashed out by meetings of junior ministers from the member states.
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