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Old September 6th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #4981
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For those of you who are curious about the current status of the existing motorway network a fellow member from the Romanian forums, marius_ar, has recently filmed some of them.

The following set of videos includes all current operational motorway parts except A3:Luna-Gilau, A1:Bucuresti-Pitesti or A1:Arad-Timisoara.

A4:Constanta Bypass + A2: Constanta-Cernavoda



A2: Cernavoda-Bucharest



A1: Sibiu Bypass


A3: Bucharest-Ploiesti
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Old September 6th, 2012, 09:04 AM   #4982
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As a foreigner unable to speak romaneste I find pretty interesting and valuable the information posted by Le Clerk regarding infraestructures.

I don't understand why and802 enjoys to fill this thread with boring insults and offences. I think moderators should act at once.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 03:59 PM   #4983
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As a foreigner unable to speak romaneste I find pretty interesting and valuable the information posted by Le Clerk regarding infraestructures.

I don't understand why and802 enjoys to fill this thread with boring insults and offences. I think moderators should act at once.
Generally LeClerk is overly optimistic and is distorting facts due to his own political views. In my experience the information posted by him is not always reliable, with the exception, as one of our colleagues already said above, of copy-pasted information from the romanian topics.

On the other hand, it seems like later this year more than 50km of new motorway will be opened in Romania, which added to the already opened 120km will make a grand total of about 170km of new motorway becoming operational in 2012 which is not bad at all in my opinion. This would be an all time record for the motorway construction in Romania and a good result comparing it with the pace of motorway construction in the EU during deep crisis, even if the government announced serious cuts in the infrastructure sector due to budgetary restraints.

The sections opened/to be opened this year are:

A1 Arad bypass (12,5km) - June 2012 (opened half-profile in December 2011)
A3 Bucharest Ring - Ploiesti (56km) - July 2012
A2 Cernavoda - Murfatlar (37km) - July 2012 (of which 20km are currently half-profile, section to be completed entirely by December this year)
A4 Ovidiu - DN3 (11km) - July 2012
A1 Timisoara bypass (9,5km) - September 2012
A1 Deva - Orastie (32km) - December 2012
A1 Arad - Pecica (12km) - December 2012

Total: 170,5km; Network total: 552,5

In 2013 we should see completed the following sections of motorway:

A1 Sibiu-Orastie (88km) - April-July 2013
A1 Lugoj-Deva lot I (27,5km) - April 2013 (+10km A1 -> Lugoj bypass link will also be a motorway)
A1 Nadlac-Pecica (26km) - late 2013
A3 Bucharest Ring - Bucharest (6km) late 2013 or 2014

Total: 157,5km; Network total: 710

Also, 106km of new motorway on A1 and A3 are currently tendering with the contracts to be signed sometime during the next weeks. Another 64km on A3 between Suplacu de Barcau and Bors (HU border) are under construction but the works are mostly abandoned while its date of completion remains a mistery.

However, by 2015 an objective estimation would bring the total length of the Romanian motorway network around 920-950km.

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Old September 6th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #4984
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this is good news.
what worries me - and i expressed it a long time ago - the future plans. we know that there was a nice piece of cake to eat (eu budget till 2013). how about 2015 onwards - do you guys have the plan ?

I mean something like this:
ok, we have got a plan with priorities and depending on a volume of eu financing we will make it happen. if so what are the priorities ?


what about a3 bors section why is it abandoned ?
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Old September 6th, 2012, 05:30 PM   #4985
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this is good news.
what worries me - and i expressed it a long time ago - the future plans. we know that there was a nice piece of cake to eat (eu budget till 2013). how about 2015 onwards - do you guys have the plan ?

I mean something like this:
ok, we have got a plan with priorities and depending on a volume of eu financing we will make it happen. if so what are the priorities ?


what about a3 bors section why is it abandoned ?
First of all, A3 Bors section is abandoned due to lack of funds. It is somehow a low priority as well since there are very few chances to be connected with the rest of the A3 at least in the next 5 years.

I believe that after the completion of the motorway sections mentioned in my previous post, we will probably have four main priorities until 2020:

A1 Sibiu-Pitesti, 110km of very expensive motorway through mountains (this will be the last section of A1 to be built). There are talks to include it in the POS-T EU 2014-2020 financing period.

A3 Oradea - Targu Mures - included in TEN-T, about 150km not tendered yet.

A? Lugoj - Craiova/Calafat - will connect A1 with the newly built Vidin-Calafat bridge (BG border). Might be included in the 2014-2020 POS-T EU financing.

A? Ploiesti-Buzau and Bacau bypass - no financing prospect for this motorway unfortunately.

This would be a bit optimistic but extremely necessary evolution of the Romanian motorway network until 2020.

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Old September 6th, 2012, 10:10 PM   #4986
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eurocopter, many thanks for your info. i find it very reliable.


170 km for one year sounds incredible. next year sounds good too.
so from what you wrote A1 Sibiu-Pitesti & A3 Oradea - Targu Mures is rahter secured. altogether 260 km

now two A?s
A? Lugoj - Craiova/Calafat
A? Ploiesti-Buzau and Bacau bypass (btw: looks like it is towards bacau gorges. if so: beautiful)

google says those two sections are roughly 300 km each

so to summarize:

2012-170, 2013-150, 2014-2020: 260 + 300 + 300
it gives us: 1180 km.

I thought of estimating an average cost for 1 km (and based on that estimate required budget), but because of mountainious aeras I guess it does not make much sense so i gave up.

anyway what you wrote your in last post in my eyes is a big challange. specially I am concerned (although you already admitted it is very optimistic) about 2014-2020. I do not mean eu budget, it is just a secondary thing in terms of world economic crisic.


anyway whatever we talk about here we must say this is a big step forward, just bring to your mind the situation as of 2008.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 08:47 AM   #4987
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I think a prority till 2020 should be one more motorway: sebes-turda to conect A1 to A3...
Or at least an expressway
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Old September 7th, 2012, 09:28 AM   #4988
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yes, and about expressways, do you have any plans for them. or just motorways ? if a budget is an issue, then why not them
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Old September 7th, 2012, 11:08 AM   #4989
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I believe our policy is that expressways are not "recommended" on the EU-financed routes, but rather on connections between these routes, where funding might be a bit more problematic.

For instance Craiova-Pitesti (connecting A1 and A?-CIV South), Sibiu-Fagaras (connecting A1 and A3) or Sebes-Turda (same) should be expressways.
From A1 to Lugoj, it should "technically" be a motorway, as it is part of CIV South. The route should be A1-Lugoj-Dr.Tr.Severin-Craiova-Calafat-Danube Bridge-Bulgaria.

The plans are on paper, but no significant progress has been made uso far.
There are more expressways planned, but you can check my sig for the complete list. Suffice to say that these roads are designed to connect the main motorway network to all the neighbouring contries' borders (BG,HU,UA,MD). In case of Serbia however, a motorway between Timisoara and Belgrade is planned, but not much info on that one unfortunately.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:55 PM   #4990
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Sebes-Turda is part of Timisoara-Sebes-Turda-Targu Mures-Iasi (TEN-T) and with a big probality will be a motorway.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 01:17 PM   #4991
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I think a prority till 2020 should be one more motorway: sebes-turda to conect A1 to A3...
Or at least an expressway
Yes, but Sebes-Turda won't make much sense before A3 is completed at least on the Oradea-Targu Mures section. I also believe that Sebes-Turda is vital enough and would generate sufficient traffic in order to be built as motorway from the beginning. It would also be the first connection between the two most important motorways of Romania.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 11:05 PM   #4992
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And what about Bucurest's ringroad? I've heard it will cost about 1 bln. euro, but it's absolutely a must for a 2 mln. capital to have decent ringroad, rather than be a total black hole for tranzit traffic as it is now.
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Bucharest's ringroad is momentarily doomed to stay in its current state. The motorway ringroad is far from being built, in spite of its strategic importance.
The existing ringroad is modernized only for around 20 km on its northern part. The "modernization" does not eliminate all of its problems, and as such it remains a very dangerous road to drive on/cross (a lot of non-grade separated junctions and at-level pedestrian crossings). Chances of modernizing a further 18 km were hampered by the recent budget restrictions that you've probably heard about, while the remaining southern half of the ringroad will get a new coat of asphalt, without widenings or grade-separated junctions.
Then there's the so-called "suspended-motorway" that Bucharest's General Mayor, Sorin Oprescu, has been talking about for a while. If built, as funding is insecure, to say the least, it would be an inner ringroad that would go through both unbuilt land and large residential neighbourhoods, so no heavy transit traffic (we hope).
From what I've managed to see on the Romanian forums, the general opinion tends towards the current ringroad being the only real one available for several years to come.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 09:56 AM   #4994
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Generally LeClerk is overly optimistic and is distorting facts due to his own political views. In my experience the information posted by him is not always reliable, with the exception, as one of our colleagues already said above, of copy-pasted information from the romanian topics.

On the other hand, it seems like later this year more than 50km of new motorway will be opened in Romania, which added to the already opened 120km will make a grand total of about 170km of new motorway becoming operational in 2012 which is not bad at all in my opinion. This would be an all time record for the motorway construction in Romania and a good result comparing it with the pace of motorway construction in the EU during deep crisis, even if the government announced serious cuts in the infrastructure sector due to budgetary restraints.
So, a good summary of the openings. This is good news I guess for all of us, including the "overly optimistic" of myself who said at the begining of the year that we may see almost 200 km of new motorway openings this year and was accused of excessive optism by apparent over pessimist people... don't want to name the kids for they will start trolling back.

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Old September 8th, 2012, 10:14 AM   #4995
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And what about Bucurest's ringroad? I've heard it will cost about 1 bln. euro, but it's absolutely a must for a 2 mln. capital to have decent ringroad, rather than be a total black hole for tranzit traffic as it is now.
My personal "optimistic" opinion?


A0, which you are referring, will stay on paper until at least until 2014. There is no money for it, either from EU or national budget and there are little chances for a private investment.

The current ring has been withdrawn most funds for 2x2 expansion a few days ago and trasferred to increased pensions by the current socialist gov. So everything is blocked there at least until next year when works might resume .... might because it depends on many unknown facts.

As for the inner Bucharest motorway of our lunatic mayor, it is expected to cost at an average EUR 100 m per km so IMHO it will never be done, also because he is a big mouth and mostly says bullshit as electoral promises.

Here's an optimistic and political account.
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so, section nadlac-pecica opens in late 2013. what about the last kilometers til hungarian border? will it be closed until M43 is ready on the other side? sadly, M43 will not be ready before 2014/9 (without delay)...
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So, a good summary of the openings. This is good news I guess for all of us, including the "overly optimistic" of myself who said at the begining of the year that we may see almost 200 km of new motorway openings this year and was accused of excessive optism by apparent over pessimist people... don't want to name the kids for they will start trolling back.

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Le Clerk, different people (excluding myself) try to tell you something about the value of your posts. do not write off topic posts about your own character, etiher your holidays. looks like now you pollute the thread with the feeling from your holidays.

you need to understand it: you are not hero here, you are the only one amateur here.
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how about 2015 onwards - do you guys have the plan ?
Correction. The EU budget cycle both for Romania and Poland will be 2014-2020.

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if so what are the priorities
As for priorities, the only one in agreement with Eurocopter is A1 Sibiu-Pitesti which will remain a priority for any gov after this Dec elections.

If the socialists stay in power, which is probable ATM, we will see a shift in priorities towards east - CIX, IMHO .
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Le Clerk, different people (excluding myself) try to tell you something about the value of your posts. do not write off topic posts about your own character, etiher your holidays. looks like now you pollute the thread with the feeling from your holidays.

you need to understand it: you are not hero here, you are the only one amateur here.
Still butthurt. Your posts are full of deep and smart character!

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For I am a negro
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Le Clerk, different people (excluding myself) try to tell you something about the value of your posts. do not write off topic posts about your own character, etiher your holidays. looks like now you pollute the thread with the feeling from your holidays.
why shouldnt he do that? it would kill the fun if every post would be always about lists of not yet opened motorways...
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