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Old November 4th, 2012, 09:58 PM   #5201
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Just 55 kms of the Prague - Vienna route are not motorway/expressway. And still, judging after how the road looks in google maps I can say that it's above the Romanian average 1+1 road (it has high radius curves, some bypasses and even some elevated junctions). I wouldn't complain that much about this route, but more about the bumpy D1 Czech motorway.
It's an annoying 1x1 55 kms, after getting off the Prague-Brno motorway (which is BTW worst than any Romanian motorway, including the commie made Bucharest-Pitesti), going through villages and towns just like any Romanian average road.

Anyway, let's get back to Romanian motorways.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 11:14 PM   #5202
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Just 55 kms of the Prague - Vienna route are not motorway/expressway. And still, judging after how the road looks in google maps I can say that it's above the Romanian average 1+1 road (it has high radius curves, some bypasses and even some elevated junctions). I wouldn't complain that much about this route, but more about the bumpy D1 Czech motorway.
correct, around 50 km of 350 km is not a motorway section.
the austrian section is worse, one bottleneck on the way - Poysdorf, the rest drivable. R52 is partially 2x2 or if you like motorways you can go via Breclav - motorway all the way (almost) to the austrian border
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:46 AM   #5203
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in my opinion the main problem is that romania has put nothing to transylvania in the past 80 years. bucharest needs to develop that area too, no matter what happened in the past...
Moldavia, Oltenia could complain but Transylvania??
52 km motorway built near Cluj is nothing? same about the new stadium Cluj Arena. And the new sport hall, largest from Romania which is U/C.
And frankly, Transylvania has 9 out of 17 airports of Romania. Guess what? All built after 1919. I'm even don't pushing with the Gov money for Tetarom no 3 in order to attract Nokia (today facilities are used by De Longhi and Bosch)
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Old November 5th, 2012, 07:57 AM   #5204
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Some good images of the newly opened section of A1 (Giarmata-Izvin):

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ok, le voi pune pentru cei care nu le-au vazut deja pe forum.peundemerg.ro (dedicatie pentru cei plecati peste hotare si care vor sa vada si lucruri frumoase din tara).

Pozele sunt facute astazi la pranz la pasajul de la Ianova.































And there's already plenty of trucks there.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 08:00 AM   #5205
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A1 Simeria-Deva works:

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Old November 5th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #5206
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in my opinion the main problem is that romania has put nothing to transylvania in the past 80 years. bucharest needs to develop that area too, no matter what happened in the past...
The same issue about regional problems...
If Bucharest didn't "..put nothing to transylvania in the past 80 years", what about the most romanian (ethnically speaking) territory from Romania, Moldova?

If you think, dear Jack_Frost, that Transylvania is left behind, cross the mountains in Moldova and see for your self the Romanian regional policy and cohesion in it's best!

Please stop complain about the "poor" Transylvania which in the last 20 years received the following:
- 52 km of a motorway (even it links nothing to nothing it's used as a ring road for Cluj-Napoca)
- governmental funds for develop of International Airport Cluj-Napoca
- dozen of political approval for UE funds needed for roads, waste water treatment, sewerage, water.

Moldova, currently doesn't has 1 m of motorway (such as Oltenia).
Please, don't say more about Transylvania.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:08 PM   #5207
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It tells everything about a country's situation, if 52km motorway in 20 years is an achievment which must be said about...
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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:21 PM   #5208
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The reality is we discussed a lot why so little motorways were built before EU accession. The debate was long but the conclusion is simple: no money available. At the same time, until mid 2000s there was a very serious upgrade of the national road system with the available money.

Otherwise, the 55 km of Transylvania Motorway were built quite fast, taking out the period when money was not available. It's all about the resources today, and one can see that when looking at the rate of CIV construction, at times well ahead of schedule.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #5209
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It tells everything about a country's situation, if 52km motorway in 20 years is an achievment which must be said about...
it tells everything where Romania was 20 years ago. we all know it.
was it underdeveloped country ? it was.
anyway what is behind it is behind. the most important thing is to learn and make progress. looking at Romania as a foreigner I can say Romania is doing OK.
could it do it better ? probably yes (lowering corruption and the mess a couple of years ago with held EU investments) .
could it do much better ? I do not think so.

as an example from the other side of the scale - see Greece: gets everything returns nothing (no, returns bigger debt). Romania gets money, but in return offers attractive conditions for doing business.

first of all you need to make the country passable/drivable before staring any serious motorway construction works. of course you can start with 1000 km of motorways instead but then it will be used by ... what 10% of population ? mabye less ? the rest of the country will not be served by any road network at all
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #5210
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That's a very good point. In the 90s there was no money for motorway construction (the Transportation Ministry budgets were smth like 10 times smaller than currently) so the motorway construction made no sense. However, a reasonable decision was made to upgrade most of the national road network with the scarce resources available, and that was done fairly well.

After the national road was upgraded and the economy recovered in early 2000 (Romania actually had an economic collapse in the 90s of 30% from the communist base of 1990, and so a motorway project was unconceivable) the Govs started thinking of motorway projects (see A2 or Transilvania Motorway). After EU accession and with the arrival of EU financial support, the construction rate increased dramatically, even though later than expected (cca 2009-2010).
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:51 PM   #5211
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Romania and Bulgaria are located in important central locations between some of the quickest growing economys in the world e.g Russia/Turkey/Asia and Europe.

Thats why EEC wants completion of motorways,in this area, with the view that more investments,money,jobs will be created and thus,the European economy will be more profitable,but it has to be done gradually,as they need some financial security for disasters like Greece,Spain etc.

Everybody learns from mistakes and Governments and banks will change the law in Europe,to make sure this never happens again!Evolution!
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Old November 5th, 2012, 07:13 PM   #5212
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Transport of goods on highways from Asia, Russia (general) and even from Turkey is not the cheapest solution.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #5213
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It depends a lot on the transported goods. If its about foods. clothing, small electronics etc, the road transport is still cheaper hence the load of traffic in between Turkey and Europe. If it's about heavy raw materials, water transport is more economic. For long, intercontinental distances, water is always more economic.

gmacruyff is right about the Eastern conectionwhich becomes more and more important. One should see the long lines of trucks coming from or going to on the Moldova/Russia/Ukraine/Turkey route, and all this through some national roads in Romania and Bulgaria - the famous corridor IX. The transportation potential is huge on this route and Romania and Bulgaria should take advantage of it with new motorways and a new bridge on Corridor IX.
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Old November 6th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #5214
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Road network in Russia has been triggered by Sochi 2014(Winter Olympics)and Moscow 2018(World cup)and billions are being invested in motorway construction.!

Eventually,this road network will have to be connected to Europe via Belarus,Ukraine and Moldova!

Political problems in these countries are holding things up,though,but eventually,it will happen.(e.g.Moldova,then Ukraine,then Belarus join the EEC or Russia gives out low-intrest rate loans!).
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Old November 6th, 2012, 08:48 AM   #5215
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It will take some time until Ukraine or Moldova* are able to build their own motorway networks, but even without such networks, the traffic through Romania and BUlgaria is growing year by year.
*Though Moldova is currently upgrading its road connections with Romania on CIX.

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A good report of the stage of motorway construction in Romania:

A1: Deva-Orastie (32.5 km) is at 70% from 66% in September, with some chances of opening by end-year
A1: Orastie-Sibiu Lot 1 (24 km) at 33% - good advance from 26% in September
A1: Orastie-Sibiu Lot 2 (20 km) from 31% to 38%
A1: Orastie-Sibiu Lot 3 (22 km) from 32% to 38%
A1: Orastie-Sibiu Lot 4 (18 km) from 33% to 39%
A1: Nadlac-Arad Lot 1 (22 km) very good advance from 7% in September to 23% in October
A1: Nadlac-Arad Lot 2 (16 km) very good advance from 50% in Sept to 62% in Oct (partial opening by year-end?)
A1: Lugoj-Deva Lot 1 (27 km) very good advance from 21% in Sept to 32 % in Oct

A3: Suplacu-Bors (64 km) at 50% - no advance
A3: Bucuresti - Ring (6.5 KM) at 11% - no advance

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Old November 6th, 2012, 09:44 AM   #5216
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Political problems in these countries are holding things up,though,but eventually,it will happen.(e.g.Moldova,then Ukraine,then Belarus join the EEC or Russia gives out low-intrest rate loans!).
won't happen within next 30 years if any. some of us will not see it
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:25 AM   #5217
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A good report of the stage of motorway construction in Romania:

A1: Deva-Orastie (32.5 km) is at 70% from 66% in September, with some chances of opening by end-year
http://www.zf.ro/companii/autostrazi...-foto-10277233
Deva-Orastie is already drivable:

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Old November 8th, 2012, 07:23 PM   #5218
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Pictures with A1 Deva-Sibiu u/c motorway shot this week by me.

Future roundabout at Simeria exit with DN7:



Slip road to A1 from the roundabout:



A1 overpass over main road 7 near Orastie (Geoagiu):





Same overpass from other angle:





Between Orastie and Sebes:









Future overpass on Sebes bypass:



Slip roads at future Sebes-east exit:



After Sebes, to Sibiu:

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Old November 8th, 2012, 07:24 PM   #5219
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Aciliu viaduct:







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Between Sacel and Sibiu:





View from A1 Sibiu bypass roundabout to Sebes:

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Awesome shots! Thanks.

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Today, the incumbent government alliance has announced the intention to build the Bucharest-Chisinau motorway during the coming 4-year period as one of their main infrastructure focus. As it is quite probable they will win the December elections, we will probably see a change of focus to eastern Romania in terms of infrastructure, as it was earlier discussed on this thread.

They are still looking at completing CIV north as a main focus but added CIX as another main focus. Of course, all this could turn out to be bogus, especially under the new EU 2014-2020 budget which announces some heavy cuts from the earlier one.
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