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Old November 24th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #5281
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Oh, A3 will run west of Brașov? I thought it was to go around Brașov and then follow DN1 south via Predeal to Sinaia and points further south.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #5282
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Why is the Brașov bypass not built as a part of A3?
The A3 motorway won't follow the same route as DN1 and the railway Bucuresti - Brasov. Actually those two are built, due to historical reasons, on the worse possible location. Between Predeal and Brasov, the corridor drops 400m in altitude over 13 km, out of which there is a 200m drop within the first 1.8 km. That's not a place for a motorway. Even the railway twists and turns to add about 6km to the slope. And even so the descent has a 25‰ incline.

Therefore, the A3 towards Brasov will turn left just before Predeal and will descent in Transylvania trough Rasnov, thus following a longer corridor, but with a far gentle slope. The downside being that the closest it will come to Brasov will be the single Brasov Exit at Ghimbav (10km from the city).
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Old November 24th, 2012, 08:19 PM   #5283
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Some pictures from A1 Deva-Orastie (near the Mures bridge):

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De doua saptamani la Deva,doar intr-o zi a fost putin soare , restul numai ceata…nasol cu Foenu-ul asta pe culoarul Alba-Iula –Deva! Cateva foto de astazi de la podul peste Mures!

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…marcajul si New Jersey de Simeria






P.S. Se lucra la marcaje, se curate , se montau stalpii de indicatoare si se cara pamant la km 32
P.P.S.S. Neoficial… “nemtii” de la Strabag suparati foc, zidul de la km 32 fisurat, nu lasat la el 28 de zile, grabit, nasol, naspa!!!
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Old November 24th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #5284
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The A3 motorway won't follow the same route as DN1 and the railway Bucuresti - Brasov. Actually those two are built, due to historical reasons, on the worse possible location. Between Predeal and Brasov, the corridor drops 400m in altitude over 13 km, out of which there is a 200m drop within the first 1.8 km. That's not a place for a motorway. Even the railway twists and turns to add about 6km to the slope. And even so the descent has a 25‰ incline.

Therefore, the A3 towards Brasov will turn left just before Predeal and will descent in Transylvania trough Rasnov, thus following a longer corridor, but with a far gentle slope. The downside being that the closest it will come to Brasov will be the single Brasov Exit at Ghimbav (10km from the city).
Thanks for the technical insight!
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Old November 24th, 2012, 09:47 PM   #5285
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Some pictures from A1 Deva-Orastie (near the Mures bridge):
So, what's the news? Are they gonna open this 32 km stretch by end-year?
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Old November 24th, 2012, 09:58 PM   #5286
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Rumors say that it will open on December 8th (which is just a coincidence that is 1 day before parliment elections). We will just have to wait and see...
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Old November 24th, 2012, 10:18 PM   #5287
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No openings on national day this year?
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Old November 24th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #5288
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Rumors say that it will open on December 8th (which is just a coincidence that is 1 day before parliment elections). We will just have to wait and see...
Can't be the 8th, cause it's the last day before the elections and it's illegal to show politicians on TV in the last day before the elections. And what's the point of an opening without politicians? It has to be the 7th of December at most, so we can see them on TV.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #5289
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Does anybody know when we get past half CIV construction? That should happen this year IMO. We have almost 400 km of motorway on CIV currently. That is already half the lenght of CIV, right?!
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Old November 25th, 2012, 10:31 AM   #5290
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Does anybody know when we get past half CIV construction? That should happen this year IMO. We have almost 400 km of motorway on CIV currently. That is already half the lenght of CIV, right?!
The total length Nadlac - Constanta is 800 km on the complete motorway, so half is indeed 400 km. So far we're just under half ~395 km if I remember right. With the opening of Deva - Orastie (32 km) this year we will pass the half corridor milestone.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 10:39 AM   #5291
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But we also have the southern part of C IV (Lugoj - Calafat)...
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Old November 25th, 2012, 11:05 AM   #5292
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But we also have the southern part of C IV (Lugoj - Calafat)...
Don't tell @most that I forgot about CIV - South
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The total length Nadlac - Constanta is 800 km on the complete motorway, so half is indeed 400 km. So far we're just under half ~395 km if I remember right. With the opening of Deva - Orastie (32 km) this year we will pass the half corridor milestone.
Thanks! So we are half way there, and next years we should get to almost 3/4 of it.
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But we also have the southern part of C IV (Lugoj - Calafat)...
Why do you want to mess with my calculations!?
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Thanks! So we are half way there, and next years we should get to almost 3/4 of it.
2/3 (~540km) at the end of 2013, IF Pecica - Nadlac will also be complete, as the CNADNR General Manager expects.

In 2014 CIV North should be 80% complete (~650 km), that meaning motorway all the way Nadlac - Constanta except Sibiu - Pitesti and Bucharest Ring, either North or South, as it seems no one is sure about which section of the Bucharest Ring will actually be a part of CIV.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:07 PM   #5296
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Oh, A3 will run west of Brașov? I thought it was to go around Brașov and then follow DN1 south via Predeal to Sinaia and points further south.
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The A3 motorway won't follow the same route as DN1 and the railway Bucuresti - Brasov. Actually those two are built, due to historical reasons, on the worse possible location. Between Predeal and Brasov, the corridor drops 400m in altitude over 13 km, out of which there is a 200m drop within the first 1.8 km. That's not a place for a motorway. Even the railway twists and turns to add about 6km to the slope. And even so the descent has a 25‰ incline.

Therefore, the A3 towards Brasov will turn left just before Predeal and will descent in Transylvania trough Rasnov, thus following a longer corridor, but with a far gentle slope. The downside being that the closest it will come to Brasov will be the single Brasov Exit at Ghimbav (10km from the city).
As a completion of what has already been said by Baiazid, here are some screenshots from the feasibility study of the Predeal - Brasov highway.

A general overview of this section - A3 is in red, Brasov bypass in blue:



A3 from Predeal towards Rasnov (and Brasov):



A3 near Rasnov:



A3 near Brasov (more precisely near Ghimbav and Cristian) - again, A3 is in red, Brasov bypass is in blue:



A3 will continue north towards Codlea and then make it left towards Fagaras.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:08 PM   #5297
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I see. The current plans leave some Romanian cities quite far from the motorways, like Brașov, Cluj-Napoca and Timișoara.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:45 PM   #5298
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I don't think the motorway goes far from Brasov. 10 km doesn't seem far.

Also, the city will have 2 road connections (DN1 and DN73 on the first map) to A3, both currently at 2x2 AFAIK (or most of lengh anyway), so 10 km on these roads will be quite fast. I ask my Romanian colleagues to correct me if I am wrong.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:50 PM   #5299
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Building a motorway right near major cities can be more expensive, probably that's why they didn't want to get too close.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:53 PM   #5300
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If they also make sure that the city has a good connection with the motorway (existing or new 2-lane per direction road with speed limit ~ 100 km/h), I don't see what's the problem if the motorway goes 10 or 20 km away from the city-center.

examples: Zadar, Croatia, Linz, Austria
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