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Old December 3rd, 2012, 06:10 PM   #5341
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'Drum expres' and 'drum rapid' are not defined in any legislation in Romania but I suppose the person who made that map meant by 'drum expres' something similar with S roads in Austria and Poland or R in Slovakia/CR. By 'drum rapid' I think he meant a national road, even 1+1, but with some bypasses and a better alignment. So I think sotonsi is true.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 08:04 PM   #5342
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Exactly. The map in that picture IS NOT official. Just a proposal of an user on the Romanian Forum.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 08:14 PM   #5343
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The PFS should indicate the official route. Currently, there is none, that's why I posted that map as an idea of the route. In any case, the posted route has been discussed intensivelly and overall agreed with on the Romanian forum, and it will be interesting whether the PFS will come with the same route.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 08:33 PM   #5344
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The road company just announced it awarded the contract for the PFS (pre-feasibility study) of te South Motorway to a consultant:
Is the pre-study for Bucharest - Craiova section?
I remember there was a FS on Lugoj - Drobeta Turnu Severin or Lugoj - Craiova that was to be ready this autumn.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 08:49 PM   #5345
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It's a whole mess and confusion. There is a political interest and a political support now for a motorway following the route of DN6: Bucuresti - Alexandria - Craiova - Drobeta Turnu Severin - Lugoj - Timisoara.

Therefore this Summer, "out of the blue" the National Road Company (CNADNR) announced the tender for the PF Study for the "South Motorway: Bucuresti - Alexandria - Craiova - Timisoara". That's the official announcement. The surprise was that the Tender Specifications claimed that the study should choose the best route out of four alternatives. Three of them were along DN6, while the fourth implied the route Bucuresti - Pitesti - Craiova - Timisoara.

So, the official documents were on one hand contradicting with each other and on the other hand were including motorways already in service (Bucuresti - Pitesti) or already under construction (Lugoj - Timisioara). That led to hilarious requests for clarifications from the interested companies, such as: "Please confirm that CNADNR does not want a SPF for Bucuresti - Pitesti" or "Please confirm that the study should only refer to Bucuresti - Lugoj instead of Timisoara".

Today we had the official announcement from CNADNR that the SPF tender was awarded. But yesterday we had a major political leader from Alexandria announcing that the South Motorway construction will start next year and it will pass next to Alexandria. While the day before we had the Prime Minister announcing that Craiova - Pitesti motorway is a TOP PRIORITY for 2013

So the official / political messages are totally confusing about this motorway.

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Old December 3rd, 2012, 09:27 PM   #5346
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Thank you for your information.

When should be the study ready?
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 09:32 PM   #5347
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6 months from the contract award date. So, if there is no litigation to the tender result, the study should be ready in June 2013.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 09:48 PM   #5348
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6 months from the contract award date. So, if there is no litigation to the tender result, the study should be ready in June 2013.
Superb!
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 10:36 PM   #5349
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Take a big breath when reading such news:
- next Sunday (December, 9th) there are parliamentary elections in Romania and promises go high
Without anticipating the result I find reasonably to estimate there will be harsh negotiations and other political maneuvers in order to have a government in the next 2 months (maximum term allowed by the Constitution; after 60 days the Parliament will be dissolved if no govt.)
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Old December 4th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #5350
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It still remains a BIG questionmark of how will they fund it, because a rough estimate puts this motorway at EUR 2-3 billion, while EU funding is very little (20-30% tops). They have recently cut funding in a few hundreds of millions from U/C projects such as Bucharest ring or A3 extension into Bucharest or Suplacu-Bors, and are discussing a new motorway which cost way more than these funds that were recently cut!??
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Old December 4th, 2012, 08:52 PM   #5351
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CNADNR opened today the upgraded 7.3 km stretch of road connecting the Dacia plant in Mioveni to A1 motorway:




http://www.zf.ro/companii/constructi...10369604/poze/

The article says it is an expressway, but I have my doubts.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 08:59 PM   #5352
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it looks good.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 09:13 PM   #5353
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Unfortunately Google Earth is all low-res and outdated imagery in that area.

Weird place for a large automotive plant though.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 09:32 PM   #5354
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Why do you think so?

You're right about Google, btw. It barely updates imagery at all in Romania (you can still see satelite images of the Basarab overpass construction site in its infancy, some 4-5 years ago )
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Old December 4th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #5355
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CNADNR opened today the upgraded 7.3 km stretch of road connecting the Dacia plant in Mioveni to A1 motorway:

The article says it is an expressway, but I have my doubts.
It's the first phase of the project to upgrade the entire national road 73 (or E574), all the way to Brasov, which included building a small expressway to Dacia. Before this expressway existed, lorries had to pass through Colibasi (see the map below).

They upgraded the current road and extended parts of it to 2x2 lanes where only one lane per direction existed. The whole upgraded part is separated by crash barriers, even the parts which run through urban areas, and there are no U turns.

What has been done shown in a map:

Orange: expressway.
Green: upgraded national road.
Circle: the place where this photo had been taken.

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Old December 4th, 2012, 10:42 PM   #5356
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So then only the 3 km from the plant to DN 73 are real express, the rest is just 2x2 national road.

Anyway, smth worthy for the plant in the end. If they extend the works to Brasov, a nice alternative to DN2 would emerge.

Edit: there will be an expressway from Craiova to Pitesti. This, together with Pitesti-Brasov, means another corridor opens between Calafat and A3.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #5357
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The EC has unblocked the Transportation Programme for Romania, a little more than 1 month after it started pre-suspension procedures. Romania will pay EUR 20 million in fines. Romania also terminated the Nadlac-Pecica motorway section (A1).
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Old December 5th, 2012, 07:12 PM   #5358
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Anyway, smth worthy for the plant in the end. If they extend the works to Brasov, a nice alternative to DN2 would emerge.
They are already working on it.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 01:03 PM   #5359
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Really?! I don't think so. It's more like planned to be built. It's another difficult road that crosses the mountains.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 01:28 PM   #5360
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Search Corporation: Comarnic-Brasov Highway Should Be Priority, Sibiu-Pitesti Is Four Times More Expensive
today, 08:19

The Bucharest-Brasov, Craiova-Pitesti highways and Bucharest’s highway-standard ring road are among the roads desperately needed for years, says Valentin Stoica, general manager of design firm Search Corporation.
http://www.zfenglish.com/companies/s...nsive-10373872

In (Romanian) detail here


The consultants are basically saying that Comarnic-Brasov is the only motorway project that could see a PPP funding, together with Bucharest ring. This is due to the high traffic that could ensure a return of investment.
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