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Old December 13th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #5421
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Now you are definitelly overoptimistic.

That's not gonna be done before 2020.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 11:32 PM   #5422
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New skiing infrastructure built in Romania:

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“Senzational, extraordinar, ramaneti aici pentru ca nici macar nu stiti ce pierdeti…” Skyscrapercitydotcom
Mi-am zis sa arunc o privire la autostrada, sa vedem ce a iesit….
De pe strada Horea din “Djeva”

Intersectia str Horea cu Calea Zarandului (centura Deva DN7)

Viram la stanga intram pe Centura , in fata se vede halda de steril…

Iesire din Deva



La Izvorul Decebal

Noile panouri de informare

Ne inscriem pe banda 1 pentru a merge la Brad sau pe autostrada



Ne apropiem de pod



Muresul inghetat!

Sensul giratoriu din Soimus!





Autostrada…A1

Sa nu-mi spuneti ca nu o vedeti…

Zidul de la km 32!!!

Priveam Pe partea cu Muresul inspre Simeria!!!

Hopa sus!!! Privirea spre Simeria!

Privirea spre Lugoj trece prin Mintia!!!











La 4-5 m de zid este un spatiu de telefon S.O.S.

Privirea tot spre Simeria!

Privirea spre sensul giratoriu de la Soimus!



Pescarii care conduc si trec prin aceasta zona sa fie atenti la drum!!!!











Iarna i-a prins cu materiale pe autostrada!!!

Acum serios vorbind aici era nevoie sa se instaleze niste panouri OB (fonoabsorbante), probabil le dau sansa locuitorilor sa admire peisajul sau au considerat ca viteza de rulare este mai mica de 50 km/h fiind iesirea si intrarea pe autostrada sin u este cazul



Podul peste Mures!!!

Aceasta este banda de intrare, in stanga iesirea



Se mai vede cetatea









Am ajuns in sensul giratoriu



Un pic de publicitate…





Se putea intra/iesi de pe autostrada

Ne intoarcem acasa





Mai taie din ei dai…!!!!

Coborarea…



P.S. Multumesc ghetelor mele Clujana in realizarea fotoreportajului
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Old December 14th, 2012, 12:00 AM   #5423
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That Ploiesti thing can't be right.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 01:01 PM   #5424
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I've just checked: it is definitely Pitesti! Not Ploiesti! The shortest distance to Ploiesti from that point is ~350 km through Sibiu - Brasov.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 10:06 PM   #5425
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which parts of the romanian motoreays will opened next??
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Old December 14th, 2012, 10:48 PM   #5426
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The one in the pictures above A1 Deva - Orastie is next. Actually, it was announced to be opened tomorrow. But we're sure it won't happen.

Anyway, in 2013 there should be the following openings, all on A1:
- Deva - Orastie, in April
- Arad - Pecica, in April
- Sebes - Orastie, might be in April
- 30 km of the Lugoj - Deva section, next to Lugoj, in the Summer
- Sibiu - Sebes, in October. This section was planned also for April 2013, but it ran into troubles, due to unstable terrain in the area. So there's a need for additional work and money. But they say it will open latest in October 2013.

Also in 2013 the A4 Constanta beltway should be complete. It is actually opened almost all the way, but works are still in progress at exists, overpasses, crashbarries etc. While at the southern end, next year the final 2 km section of the A4 between Road 39 and the Constanta Port is also supposed to be completed.

So, in theory, by the end of 2013 A1 Nadlac- Sibiu - Bucuresti will be 60% complete. The following gaps will remain:
- Nadlac (Hungarian border) - Pecica 30 km. This was supposed to be complete in April 2013. The tender was cancelled one month ago, because the completion was only 20%. The owner of the construction company is currently in prison, while the company is in insolvency procedures. It will be retendered and is supposed to be complete in the Spring of 2014. It might even be complete in the Autumn 2013.
- Timisoara - Lugoj, second section, 28 km. Already tendered, but not awarded yet. It should be complete in 2014.
- Deva - Lugoj (Dumbrava), 40 km second section. Already tendered, but not awarded yet. It should be complete in 2014.
- Sibiu - Pitesti, 120 km. That's the mountain crossing and it's the hardest section, on one hand due to the mountains and on the other hand due to the fact that the hills in the south of the Carpathian Mountains are unstable soil. This is estimated to be complete in 2016.

Other then that, there are talks about a lot of other motorways. But it all depends on the political decisions that the new Government will take. Anyway, nothing else to open in 2013, or even 2014.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 12:05 AM   #5427
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Where are passed the european funds ?
When I read all difficulties in the forum to finish road works in Romania, or even BG, I seem to the money have not been allocated to the good service (or people !).
Poland, and other eastern countries seem to have less difficulties.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #5428
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Where are passed the european funds ?
When I read all difficulties in the forum to finish road works in Romania, or even BG, I seem to the money have not been allocated to the good service (or people !).
Poland, and other eastern countries seem to have less difficulties.
Well, it's not so fair to compare Romania with Poland. People tend to forget that Poland became a member state in 2004, while Romania in Bulgaria only in 2007.

Accessing European funding and later manage the projects so that money are not wasted / stolen / "rerouted" etc. is very difficult. It's not like EU puts the money into the account of Romania and then Romania does something if anything with them. No-no. It's a whole bureaucratic system that has to be set up and fine tuned. And it takes years to do it and make it efficient.

The results of today in Poland are amazing. But they are at the end of an eight years process.

Motorway construction in Romania (re)started in 2002, but it was extremely slow till 2007. Then step by step it picked up speed, getting into top notch in 2011-2012. And it looks like the pace won't slow down in the following years.

Until 2016 there is serious planning and secured financing for 200 km of motorway. Also tenders were launched for other 100 km and plans are being made for an extra 350-500 km. At least at the statement level, all those 650 - 800 km should be complete in 2016, raising the Romanian motorway network at 1200 - 1400 km.

We'll see how much of that will actually happen. But we can't deny that the motorway construction in Romania made a huge step ahead in the past 2-3 years.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 11:03 AM   #5429
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Where are passed the european funds ?
When I read all difficulties in the forum to finish road works in Romania, or even BG, I seem to the money have not been allocated to the good service (or people !).
Poland, and other eastern countries seem to have less difficulties.
EU funds are not a bag with money they send you. These countries have to pre-finance the entire project by themselves, then get a reimbursement from EU if the project is finished and executed according to EU regulation. This reimbursement can be 85%.

Romania and Bulgaria aren't exactly the wealthiest countries and Romania in particular has the burden of constructing the A3 motorway entirely out of their own pocket, because it's ineligible for EU funding. So they don't have much room to pre-finance other projects. Bulgaria has less problems with this (they opened a number of motorways in recent years, the opened mileage per capita is probably higher than Romania).
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Old December 15th, 2012, 11:33 AM   #5430
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In Bulgaria, we had ALL our euro-funds cut off in 2009, due to some corrupt schemes by some people close to the previous government .
So, after becoming a EU member in 2007, till late 2009, nothing major has been done in highway construction.
The only significant project was the Lulin highway ( which only 19 km long ) took twice the time to build than it was planned, and twice the price. And it still was not finished till 2009.
Just after 2009, they really started pushing forward construction works on several new projects, some of which are due to be open in mid. 2013.
Yet, we have the cheapest price/km of highway, so nothing really fancy, like lights at interchanges, or WCs at highway parking places, but still it is waaaaay better than nothing ( like it was before ).
So, my point is, that we actually had a blind spot in highway construction from 2007 till 2009.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #5431
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EU funds are not a bag with money they send you. These countries have to pre-finance the entire project by themselves, then get a reimbursement from EU if the project is finished and executed according to EU regulation. This reimbursement can be 85%.
Actually not the whole project has to be complete before the money are reimbursed from EC, but intermediate phases.

It's a complex mechanism, involving a lot of institutions in Romania and Bruxelles. The projects have to be aproved by EC in every aspect before being started. Then an independent consultant is employed to supervise the work progress. Before the works start, Romania pays the constructor a pre-finance of up to 4% of the work.

Then a cicle start. Every now and then, when the constuctor reaches an agreed milestone in the project, he issues an invoice. The invoice and the corresponding works are being checked by the consultant. Once the consultant approves it, the invoice is sent to the Road Company, which makes the payment. Later on, the Road Company make a reimbursement claim to the Management Authority in Romania, which further checks the documentation and forwards the claim to EC. After a final check of the file in Bruxelles, the money are reimbursed. So, a very complex bureaucratic mechanism. It takes indeed months between the moment when Romania pays the invoices from the local budget and the moment when the money come back from EC.

Also, an important issues is that VAT and expropriation costs are not eligible for EU funding. And those costs are significant. So building with EU funds is not a straight forward process.

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Romania and Bulgaria aren't exactly the wealthiest countries and Romania in particular has the burden of constructing the A3 motorway entirely out of their own pocket, because it's ineligible for EU funding. So they don't have much room to pre-finance other projects. Bulgaria has less problems with this (they opened a number of motorways in recent years, the opened mileage per capita is probably higher than Romania).
The budget for 2013 shifts a lot the balance towards co-financing the EU funding eligible projects. Already we've been told that the final 6 km of A3 in Bucharest, entirely financed bu national budget, will be completed in 2015-2016 (!!), but on the other hand A1 is strongly confirmed to be complete in 2016.

While all the other projects which also are not EU funding eligible are being announced / tendered in concession:
- A3 Comarnic - Brasov, 55km across the mountains
- Ax Craiova - Pitesti
- Ax Ploiesti - Focsani. Actually this is a part of European Corridor IX, so it was a surprise to see it announced as a concession contract
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Old December 15th, 2012, 01:20 PM   #5432
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Where are passed the european funds ?
When I read all difficulties in the forum to finish road works in Romania, or even BG, I seem to the money have not been allocated to the good service (or people !).
Poland, and other eastern countries seem to have less difficulties.
you should not compare Poland to Romania & Bulgaria.

I am not going to say Poland is reach in comparison to the others (because I do not see noticable differences)

the differences are:

Poland does not have any issues with corruption (critical factor for EU money)
Poland does quite a good job if it comes to UE road infrastructure budget procedures
Poland nation budget is much bigger then Romania, not to mention Bulgaria
Polish GNP is 30% more then Romanian/Bulgarian
Finally Polish landscape is flat


see picture below. it shows how much money Poland got in 2011 from EU (red bars)

Romania got 2,6 while Poland more than 14:

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Old December 15th, 2012, 02:23 PM   #5433
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Would be great to know how much money did Poland got from EU in 2009. That's the number with which we should compare the amount Romania got in 2012.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 03:55 PM   #5434
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I do not think the comparison you suggest is relevant (figures from 2012 vs 2009)

I think at present the most important factor is the percentage of money spent for Romanian road infrastructure vs allocated in EU budget. if you are close to 100% then you do a very good job.

another thing is the Romanian accession conditions and how much of the EU budget cake you got and you will get for 2014-2020.

if these figures are screwed up, even you get close to 100% of what you could squeeze from EU budget des not help much. otherwords no difference if you get 100% of nothing or 0% of nothing.
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Old December 16th, 2012, 12:08 PM   #5435
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Then an independent consultant is employed to supervise the work progress.
Engineer. Under FIDIC they (a company or a joint-venture of companies) are called Engineer. The term is now also used in Romanian. The contractors or even the ex-Minister Anca Boagiu are/were calling them Inginerul.
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Old December 16th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #5436
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While all the other projects which also are not EU funding eligible are being announced / tendered in concession:
- A3 Comarnic - Brasov, 55km across the mountains
- Ax Craiova - Pitesti
- Ax Ploiesti - Focsani. Actually this is a part of European Corridor IX, so it was a surprise to see it announced as a concession contract
I, as a declared overoptimist, am pessimist to see any of that started next year.

As for Ploiesti-Focsani, in case this will really go ahead as a PPP, I wonder whether a three-party arrangement (RO Gov, EU, and the investor) could be made in such manner that the payments made under the PPP could be subsequently recovered from the EU, even in part?! Anybody even contemplating that?!
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Old December 16th, 2012, 05:36 PM   #5437
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I, as a declared overoptimist, am pessimist to see any of that started next year.
Everything will be clear as soon as we'll see the 2013 budget. So we only have to wait till January 2013 or so. Then we'll now.

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As for Ploiesti-Focsani, in case this will really go ahead as a PPP, I wonder whether a three-party arrangement (RO Gov, EU, and the investor) could be made in such manner that the payments made under the PPP could be subsequently recovered from the EU, even in part?! Anybody even contemplating that?!
I have no idea if that's even legally possible. Anyway, it might be that Sibiu - Pitesti will take the bigest part of the 2014-2020 allocated POS-T budget for Romania, so there won't be enough money left for CIX and CIV South. And also, we should not forget that the railway also needs big amounts in the near future.

Therefore, it might be that the Road Company is planing to use concessions for those routes for which the traffic qualifies and focus the EU money on the low traffic sections. And for instance, even if tolled, A3 Bucuresti - Ploiesti + Ax Ploiesti - Focsani will steal a lot of the DN2 traffic to which it will add the significant current traffic on Ploiesti - Buzau. So, Ploiesti - Focsani motorway it's an attractive concession.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 02:51 PM   #5438
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Simeria-Deva motorway (15 km) part of A1, was opened today.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 02:59 PM   #5439
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Old December 21st, 2012, 03:19 PM   #5440
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which part will be opened next of the A1???
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