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Old January 29th, 2013, 08:46 AM   #5581
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- Bechtel site organization near the viaduct of Suplacu de Barcău:





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Old January 29th, 2013, 08:58 AM   #5584
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- still the viaduct:





- the viaduct is ending inside an oilfield owned by OMV-Petrom, which has to be partially closed to make place for the motorway. That will cost tones of money...



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Old January 29th, 2013, 09:02 AM   #5585
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Sad pics indeed. And even more sad now that our dear comrades, who saw themselves in the Gov, have cut cut cut funds from all non-EU funded infrastructure projects, which means Transilvania Motorway and other major projects will be ON-HOLD for the coming 4 years, at least! Well done commies!
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Old January 29th, 2013, 09:06 AM   #5586
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Sad pics indeed. And even more sad now that our dear comrades, who saw themselves in the Gov, have cut cut cut funds from all non-EU funded infrastructure projects, which means Transilvania Motorway [...] will be ON-HOLD for the coming 4 years, at least! Well done commies!
While one year ago, with the previous gvt., everything went smooth for AT?
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:32 AM   #5587
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Actually, Bucharest will have 3 rings:

1. the urban ring which is operational but does not appear on that map

2. the current ring proper, which is 1/3 2x2 and 2/3 1x1 and that needs to be expanded to 2x2 entirelly

3. the planned motorway ring in red and pink on that map

On this map belw, the outer ring is the existing Bucharest Ring at #2 above:

According to that map there is even 4th one not finished.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 01:51 PM   #5588
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Sad pics indeed. And even more sad now that our dear comrades, who saw themselves in the Gov, have cut cut cut funds from all non-EU funded infrastructure projects, which means Transilvania Motorway and other major projects will be ON-HOLD for the coming 4 years, at least! Well done commies!
Commies? Hahaha
PDL supporters can be really funny with their comments sometimes
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:43 PM   #5589
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In conditiile actuale,Viaductul Suplacu de Barcău devine atractie turistica..din pacate doar ca si ruina :-(
In current conditions,Suplacu de Barcau viaduct is becoming turistic objective,but unfortunately,only as ruin

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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #5590
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Sad pics indeed. And even more sad now that our dear comrades, who saw themselves in the Gov, have cut cut cut funds from all non-EU funded infrastructure projects, which means Transilvania Motorway and other major projects will be ON-HOLD for the coming 4 years, at least! Well done commies!
Are you serious?4 years?Jeez!!11
I expect at least to be done Bors-Suplacu de Barcau(And btw...what is good for this section?Another example of linking nothing to other nothing.)
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:50 PM   #5591
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Sad photos of A3. Here's the latest imagery of A3 west of Cluj-Napoca. This was advertised as 10 kilometer extension, but in reality they haven't done anything more than works on a bridge immediately after the current motorway end.

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Old January 29th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #5592
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Commies? Hahaha
PDL supporters can be really funny with their comments sometimes
M5 started and funded under the former Gov. CUT now!
Bucharest ring south started and funded under the former Gov. CUT now!
A3 Ring-Bucharest started under former Gov. CUT now!
Transilvania Motorway placed under TEN-T by the former Gov. Completely CUT now!

Want more examples?!

The current Gov proposed a 50km tunnel through the mountains with obviously NO funding identified!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Say what?!?!??! Anything else is CUT CUT CUT!!!! Let's get real. It's already ONE YEAR into the new Gov and NO ZERO NADA new project has been started !!!

**** off these new commies. I am really pissed off already!
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Old January 29th, 2013, 11:22 PM   #5593
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I am really pissed off already!
Yeah we noticed
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Old January 30th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #5594
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Yeah we noticed

I think I am getting a slight preview on what will happen if our socialists took over the power this summer and stop Struma motorway funding


Ontopic: A huge investment(Tata) in Cluj-Napoca was announced. I think this might resurrect A3.
btw congrats
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Old January 30th, 2013, 12:52 AM   #5595
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M5 started and funded under the former Gov. CUT now!
Part of the funds were cut. A large part indeed, and it is deeply regrettable, but we're not talking about the whole funding.
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Bucharest ring south started and funded under the former Gov. CUT now!
Started where, Le Clerk? Contracts were awarded in 2010, under former government (see here or here) but nothing has started due to lack of money. It is absolutely the same situation now.
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A3 Ring-Bucharest started under former Gov. CUT now!
True!

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Transilvania Motorway placed under TEN-T by the former Gov.
So what? It still didn't started anything.
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Completely CUT now!
I really hope you are not misinform on purpose. Section Gilău-Nadașelu of Transilvania Motorway has been awarded to Spedition UMB. (link)

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Want more examples?!
Well, I really do.

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The current Gov proposed a 50km tunnel through the mountains with obviously NO funding identified!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
It was not the government, Le Clerk. It was some low level local politician. Stupid people can say stupid things all the time. I remember former prime-minister who was lying over and over again that some 1+1 normal roads were in fact motorways. And he was the prime-minister!

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Let's get real. It's already ONE YEAR into the new Gov and NO ZERO NADA new project has been started !!!
A1 Timișoara-Lugoj Lot 2 has just been awarded. (link)



I think too that the current government is really, really bad and it is a mystery for me why people voted for those thieves, populists and members of former secret police. I also think that a little political debate on SSC won't kill anybody. But I hate propaganda.

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Old January 30th, 2013, 08:10 AM   #5596
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Part of the funds were cut. A large part indeed, and it is deeply regrettable, but we're not talking about the whole funding.


Started where, Le Clerk? Contracts were awarded in 2010, under former government (see here or here) but nothing has started due to lack of money. It is absolutely the same situation now.
True!

So what? It still didn't started anything.
I really hope you are not misinform on purpose. Section Gilău-Nadașelu of Transilvania Motorway has been awarded to Spedition UMB. (link)

Well, I really do.

It was not the government, Le Clerk. It was some low level local politician. Stupid people can say stupid things all the time. I remember former prime-minister who was lying over and over again that some 1+1 normal roads were in fact motorways. And he was the prime-minister!


A1 Timișoara-Lugoj Lot 2 has just been awarded. (link)


I think too that the current government is really, really bad and it is a mystery for me why people voted for those thieves, populists and members of former secret police. I also think that a little political debate on SSC won't kill anybody. But I hate propaganda.
Dude, let's cut the crap shall we?!?! The Bucharest metro has been given 1/5 of the funds in 2013 and in 2014 it will be given even less. This means the metro M5 wil be completed in a decade, or more, from 3 years as initialy projected, and probably much more expensive. In the meanwhile large areas of W Bucharest will remain a chaotic place with large open pits in the middle of bulevards where no work is being done as opposed until last year when funding was still ensured.

Bucharest Ring has seen its funds cut.

A few by-passes also have seen funds cuts.

Transilvania Motorway, except for the small Gilau-Nadaselu section (8 km), won't see any works any time soon. So, what about the Suplacu-Bors, which is the real deal (65 km) and where there will be no works there, while they were promising last year to restart works? What about the Cluj-Brasov sections which are under TEN-T now and can be financed by EU? Why are those not tendered?



Works on A3 (Ring-Bucharest) were stopped as soon as this new Gov came to power last year. WTF it will take them years to complete a 6 km motorway !?!?!?

There are large sections of A1 (on Timisoara-Lugoj and Lugoj-Deva), about 100 km of new motorway, which were tendered in summer last year and no award was made so far !!! (except for LOT 2 of Timisoara Lugoj but there still are many other lots to be awarded). No new motorway section was awarded last year.

Nadlac-Arad (LOT 1 which was terminated late last year) was supposed to be awarded in January (they assumed this deadline!). Nothing in that respect, not even tender procedure announced!

Instead, they bring in these pharaonic projects, such as tunnels through mountains, EUR 9 billion Tg- Mures-Iasi Motorway and other surreal projects that have no funding whatsoever (and in the meanwhile they literally invoke God's help for private funding as their only strategy ) to fool you and others of the hard work they do in terms of motorways. Not to mention that they constantly CHANGE time projections, such as about Craiova-Pitesti motorway or South Motorway. Do you want me to bring you the quotations we discussed on the Romanian forum, which show contadictory statements from the same people (among them His Majesty the PM) within a 2 month time-span?

And in all this meanwhile, they organize fastuous opening ceremonies for the projects started and worked at during the previous years...

I see that you continue to accuse me of lying people here, but I really wonder who is lying in between us, if we are to discuss at this level, which is pretty low from my POV?!
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Old January 30th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #5597
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Bucharest Ring has seen its funds cut.
Ok, dude, can you please just answer: which funds? Can you please show me one proof that there were funds? A single dime? One single proof that, from 2010 to this very day, there were any works of some sort on the southern part of the ring?

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Transilvania Motorway, except for the small Gilau-Nadaselu section (8 km), won't see any works any time soon. So, what about the Suplacu-Bors, which is the real deal (65 km) and where there will be no works there, while they were promising last year to restart works? What about the Cluj-Brasov sections which are under TEN-T now and can be financed by EU? Why are those not tendered?
Are you joking? With only 20% EU financing? Are you willing to pay for the rest? And you haven't answered: were there any works on Suplacu de Barcău-Borș during the last government? The only thing they did was to pay part of the debts to Bechtel. Which is very good and logical. And so is doing this government. Which is also good and logical.

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Works on A3 (Ring-Bucharest) were stopped as soon as this new Gov came to power last year. WTF it will take them years to complete a 6 km motorway !?!?!?
I wrote "True" above and I also added an exclamation mark. What do you want more from me? And please, you don't have to put 6 marks, I'm not blind and hopefully not stupid. And neither the other readers.

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There are large sections of A1 (on Timisoara-Lugoj and Lugoj-Deva), about 100 km of new motorway, which were tendered in summer last year and no award was made so far !!! (except for LOT 2 of Timisoara Lugoj but there still are many other lots to be awarded). No new motorway section was awarded last year.
Can you please try for a little bit to forget which type of people are governing Romania today? And clear your mind? ALL EU CO-FUNDING for transports (which I remind you, is 85%) has been suspended till the EU inquiry for irregularities is over. At this moment we have huge problems to pay the current works. Due to this fact, one contractor (Straco) is running insolvency. There are payment delays to all contractors. How do you think Romania could pay for three brand new motorway stretches through a rough hilly-mountaineous terrain? Which rational government do you think would have started to build few hundred more kilometers of motorway without first secure the EU co-financing?

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Nadlac-Arad (LOT 1 which was terminated late last year) was supposed to be awarded in January (they assumed this deadline!). Nothing in that respect, not even tender procedure announced!
No, Le Clerk, but read the press you always like to quote: a CNADNR committee is on site to evaluate the works made by former contractor. That's the first logical step; without it, they cannot run a tender. Yes, they are in delay, but what's new? We are in Romania.

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Do you want me to bring you the quotations we discussed on the Romanian forum, which show contadictory statements from the same people (among them His Majesty the PM) within a 2 month time-span?
No, you don't. As I also wrote above, I have no respect for the clique who's leading Romania today.

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I see that you continue to accuse me of lying people here, but I really wonder who is lying in between us, if we are to discuss at this level, which is pretty low from my POV?!
I wrote "I really hope you are not misinform on purpose". Take it as you wish.
As a conclusion, although I dislike very much the current government, I try to see all the facts, and only then to judge.


All I wrote in my last two posts is off-topic and I apologize to everyone. I will stop here, no matter what.
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Sad photos of A3. Here's the latest imagery of A3 west of Cluj-Napoca. This was advertised as 10 kilometer extension, but in reality they haven't done anything more than works on a bridge immediately after the current motorway end.
Actually, that bridge is part of Bechtel contract for section 2b and they would have had to complete it earlier, together with the rest of Câmpia Turzii - Cluj Vest (Gilău) section, but they didn't, probably due to high debts of Romanian state towards them.
My pics were taken on section 3c Suplacu de Barcău - Borș, more precisely here.
The advertised additional 10 kms are in fact 8,7 km on section 3a Cluj Vest (Gilău) - Mihăești. A tender was made last year and the contract awarded to Romanian company Spedition UMB. But since the funding will be made only from Romanian state budget, I don't predict it a bright future.
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One single proof that, from 2010 to this very day, there were any works of some sort on the southern part of the ring?
There were works on the southern part of the ring however the works were not to enlarge the section to 2+2, but mainly rehabilitation works on the current alignment. There were pics on SSC last year I think and I also witnessed them. I agree with all the other things you said, but I can also understand LeClerk frustration that things are sadily not going in the good direction in Romania.
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^ Thank you for the correction and I apologize to Le Clerk & rest of the forumers for misleading.
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