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Old January 30th, 2013, 10:27 PM   #5601
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What about the Cluj-Brasov sections which are under TEN-T now and can be financed by EU? Why are those not tendered?
Le Clerk, the only section of A3 under TEN-T is the section CampiaTurzii-Targu Mures.
Actually from A1, Sebes-Turda-Targu Mures and further, but not towards Brasov.

The ex-minister Nazare, said that Campia Turzii-Ogra (Targu Mures) is an important section and tender procedures were scheduled for 2014 (new EU-budget). But these are only words and wishes.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 09:03 AM   #5602
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crisis.

whoever leads the present government (socialists/right wing party) the siutation stays the same.
you need to cut your expenses, because there is no money in your budget. here , in this thread, a year or two ago we had a nice converstation about the crisis and possible impact on road construction in Romania.

this is actually happining now, funds have been cut.

I do not know the details situation but for me it looks strange:

a new government arrived and one of the first stratiegic decision was to cut funds for road constructions. it means like doing suicide (acceptance bars go down !) or simply there was no money left in the national budget.

so the question is: how the budget was run by previous government that there is not even a single dime for roads.

I am not supporter of current government either previous one
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Old January 31st, 2013, 06:27 PM   #5603
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When will the section Simeria - Orastie of the A1 opened??
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Old January 31st, 2013, 10:00 PM   #5604
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 06:50 PM   #5605
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Le Clerk, the only section of A3 under TEN-T is the section CampiaTurzii-Targu Mures.
Actually from A1, Sebes-Turda-Targu Mures and further, but not towards Brasov.

The ex-minister Nazare, said that Campia Turzii-Ogra (Targu Mures) is an important section and tender procedures were scheduled for 2014 (new EU-budget). But these are only words and wishes.
Not true, the entire Bors-Targu-Mures-Iasi is under TEN-T, but currently Bors-Suplacu (64km) remains awarded to Bechtel and thus, abandoned.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 07:57 PM   #5606
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Not true, the entire Bors-Targu-Mures-Iasi is under TEN-T, but currently Bors-Suplacu (64km) remains awarded to Bechtel and thus, abandoned.
Core or comprehensive?
As I sad above, Sebes-Turda-Targu Mures and further(meaning Iasi) are under TEN-T core. The core sections are important at the moment, so I was speaking just about them.
Whole Transylvania motorway is under TEN-T, but comprehensive (without Turda-Targu Mures).

This should be the map of TENT-T Core after the renegociation:




Maybe Iasi-Targu Mures-Oradea- M4-Budapest was a logical E-W route, but...
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 08:04 PM   #5607
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I thought that after the renegociation Bors-Turda was also included in the core network. Maybe I misunderstood something.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 01:11 AM   #5608
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Ok, dude, can you please just answer: which funds? Can you please show me one proof that there were funds? A single dime? One single proof that, from 2010 to this very day, there were any works of some sort on the southern part of the ring?

Are you joking? With only 20% EU financing? Are you willing to pay for the rest? And you haven't answered: were there any works on Suplacu de Barcău-Borș during the last government? The only thing they did was to pay part of the debts to Bechtel. Which is very good and logical. And so is doing this government. Which is also good and logical.

I wrote "True" above and I also added an exclamation mark. What do you want more from me? And please, you don't have to put 6 marks, I'm not blind and hopefully not stupid. And neither the other readers.

Can you please try for a little bit to forget which type of people are governing Romania today? And clear your mind? ALL EU CO-FUNDING for transports (which I remind you, is 85%) has been suspended till the EU inquiry for irregularities is over. At this moment we have huge problems to pay the current works. Due to this fact, one contractor (Straco) is running insolvency. There are payment delays to all contractors. How do you think Romania could pay for three brand new motorway stretches through a rough hilly-mountaineous terrain? Which rational government do you think would have started to build few hundred more kilometers of motorway without first secure the EU co-financing?

No, Le Clerk, but read the press you always like to quote: a CNADNR committee is on site to evaluate the works made by former contractor. That's the first logical step; without it, they cannot run a tender. Yes, they are in delay, but what's new? We are in Romania.

No, you don't. As I also wrote above, I have no respect for the clique who's leading Romania today.

I wrote "I really hope you are not misinform on purpose". Take it as you wish.
As a conclusion, although I dislike very much the current government, I try to see all the facts, and only then to judge.


All I wrote in my last two posts is off-topic and I apologize to everyone. I will stop here, no matter what.
Sorry but the new government didnt start construction at even 1 new km of new motorway. They took the power 9 months ago and all they have done was to cut the infrastructure budget, stop or postpone motorway or subway works.
They fooled million of suckers at the elections and now they are leading us to nothing. Unfortunetelly what was started by Anca Boagiu is going to be ruined. We might lose important European funds because of these idiots. The operational program 2007-2013 were are included also Nadlac- Arad lot 1, Lugoj- Deva Lot 2,3,4 -all still under tendering () will have the final reimbursements at end 2015. Who will respond for this disaster? and how? It will be the same kind of responsability like in 2003 with Bechetel? All that we hear is how they blame the previous Gov and the President of Romania.
Well definitely commies hate motorways..
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I would not like to go deeply into Romania's internal matters, because I am not a national financial supervisor :-)


for me it is stange - a new government came up, and its one of first decisions was to cut funds for road constructions. I really wonder why ?
what made them come to that decision. definately they knew it would not be popular and all acceptance bars will dive dramatically...

so why did they do it ? I do not get the answer: "because they are stupid"

I am not good at playing political games, so maybe my conclusion is wrong:

they discovered huge gaps in the Romanian national budget, so huge they cannot carry on the current national road construction plan.

look, Greece had been succesfully hiding its financial problems for years. otherwords I guess it is possible to hide some budget gaps playing with financial instruments by previous team and now the current government has to eat a fermented cake left by previous guys. this is my guess and really I do not have any pleasure with supporting current team.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 12:33 PM   #5610
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or they had to find funds to make promised salary and pension raises
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Old February 7th, 2013, 02:06 PM   #5611
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or they had to find funds to make promised salary and pension raises

no. I do not agree
if so, Romanian nation did it (voted) deliberately. you preffered (chose) salaries to roads.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 02:14 PM   #5612
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no. I do not agree
if so, Romanian nation did it (voted) deliberately. you preffered (chose) salaries to roads.
I would not. But...

Many people in RO are poor or pensioners. And care less about roads. Old people care about drugs for example.
In rural parts, give them 1 kg of sugar, potatoes, whatever, and they will vote as told. They have no education and are easy manipulated, and they are many.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #5613
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Sorry but the new government didnt start construction at even 1 new km of new motorway. They took the power 9 months ago and all they have done was to cut the infrastructure budget, stop or postpone motorway or subway works.
They fooled million of suckers at the elections and now they are leading us to nothing. Unfortunetelly what was started by Anca Boagiu is going to be ruined. We might lose important European funds because of these idiots. The operational program 2007-2013 were are included also Nadlac- Arad lot 1, Lugoj- Deva Lot 2,3,4 -all still under tendering () will have the final reimbursements at end 2015. Who will respond for this disaster? and how? It will be the same kind of responsability like in 2003 with Bechetel? All that we hear is how they blame the previous Gov and the President of Romania.
Well definitely commies hate motorways..
That is going to be labeled a "political/politicized opinion", and "misinformation".
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you preffered (chose) salaries to roads.
Not me personally or other people here, but most voters appear to have voted so (even indirectly). And the new Gov is certainly cynical enough to apply what voters want, even though it is bad for them and the country in the end.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 07:55 PM   #5615
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I would not like to go deeply into Romania's internal matters, because I am not a national financial supervisor :-)


for me it is stange - a new government came up, and its one of first decisions was to cut funds for road constructions. I really wonder why ?
what made them come to that decision. definately they knew it would not be popular and all acceptance bars will dive dramatically...

so why did they do it ? I do not get the answer: "because they are stupid"

I am not good at playing political games, so maybe my conclusion is wrong:

they discovered huge gaps in the Romanian national budget, so huge they cannot carry on the current national road construction plan.

look, Greece had been succesfully hiding its financial problems for years. otherwords I guess it is possible to hide some budget gaps playing with financial instruments by previous team and now the current government has to eat a fermented cake left by previous guys. this is my guess and really I do not have any pleasure with supporting current team.
Ok, we could admit the existence of gaps in the national budget. But when you find gaps you decide to increase the numbers of ministries and ministers with 50%? and the numbers of parliamentarians with 20% (from around 480 to 588) ? Also they moved the money from infrastructure to the social assistance which is nice but without infrastructure, without investment it wont be any GDP increase, any economic development and of course at the end less resources avalaible for social assistance.
Until now this new Gov (actually not so new, is in force since May last year) dont show any intention to give priority to the infrastructure improvemment.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 08:00 PM   #5616
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I never understood why a parliament needs so many members. The Dutch parliament has 150 members and they are talking about reducing it to 100. Can a parliament function better when it has 100, 200 or 300 members?

However the real big expenses are not there, but in health care, education, justice, etc. In most countries road expenses are a pretty minor footnote on the overall government budget. For example in the Netherlands the national government spends over € 260 billion per year, only about € 2.7 billion (1%) of that goes to the national road network (half of it maintenance and operations).
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That is going to be labeled a "political/politicized opinion", and "misinformation".
well they can demonstrate that we are wrong by following the national development plan for motorways, especially by not wasting the EU funds on Corridor No 4. If by mid 2013 all the remaining sectors will start the works what can we say then?
meanwhil I am pessimist that will happen
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I never understood why a parliament needs so many members. The Dutch parliament has 150 members and they are talking about reducing it to 100. Can a parliament function better when it has 100, 200 or 300 members?
well probably in Romania we like to apply the proverb : "Many hands make light work"
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Ok, we could admit the existence of gaps in the national budget. But when you find gaps you decide to increase the numbers of ministries and ministers with 50%? and the numbers of parliamentarians with 20% (from around 480 to 588) ? Also they moved the money from infrastructure to the social assistance which is nice but without infrastructure, without investment it wont be any GDP increase, any economic development and of course at the end less resources avalaible for social assistance.
Until now this new Gov (actually not so new, is in force since May last year) dont show any intention to give priority to the infrastructure improvemment.


The pension increase equals EUR 0.5 billion from the 2013 state budget, or about 35% of the ministry of transportation budget for 2013. Anyway, politics of finance aside, they didn't keep any of the promises so far, and I am talking mostly about the pending and awaited decisions on A1 mentioned above:
- tenders on Timisoara Lugoj and Lugoj-Deva
- tender on Arad-Nadlac LOT 1

The other projects are simply SciFi considering what they have done so far in almost one years since they took over. That is simply cutting the ribbon of the works previously started and mostly completed.
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The pension increase equals EUR 0.5 billion from the 2013 state budget, or about 35% of the ministry of transportation budget for 2013. ...
not sure I read it in proper way. 0,5 billion stands for 35% transportation budget. so you have got around 1,42 billion for transportation. I understand there are some branches (like railway, air, sea).

I must say with that kind you money you will not build much. now I understand EU money will be a positive injection. speaking of which ...

what is the Romanian plan for negotiations currently carried on in Brussels ? I mean how much money for 2014-2020 you plan you get ?
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