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Old March 2nd, 2013, 02:20 AM   #5661
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 04:50 PM   #5662
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Minister for major projects says construction start for Comarnic-Brasov is due in Oct at latest.

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Old March 5th, 2013, 09:06 AM   #5663
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Chinese Group Bidding For Comarnic-Brasov Highway: We Have Money, Also Interested In Other Projects
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China Communications Construction Company (CCCC), the constructor controlled by the Chinese state which submitted a bid for the lease of the Comarnic-Brasov highway, says it is also interested in other infrastructure projects that the Romanian state plans.
http://www.zfenglish.com/companies/a...jects-10635269
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Old March 5th, 2013, 04:38 PM   #5664
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Old March 5th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #5665
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Old March 6th, 2013, 10:29 AM   #5666
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It seems 18 km of A1 (Simeria-Orastie) will open in May, according to builders.

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Old March 8th, 2013, 10:44 AM   #5667
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RO Gov is preparing a new law on PPPs which is said to favour Chinese companies, in that it will allow "unusually low offers" which until now could be rejected.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 12:05 PM   #5668
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Why unusually low offer. It does not help to anybody, either client or vendor
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Old March 8th, 2013, 12:26 PM   #5669
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I would be very careful with Chinese offers. A Chinese offer was made to build a highway (i think it was in Poland for a piece of A2), which twice as cheep as the best follow up. Unfortunately the company who made the offer knew nothing about European standards for highways, so the contract was canceled. (Sounds familiar, does't it?)
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Old March 9th, 2013, 12:38 AM   #5670
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In Bulgarian media , info has appeared that the Romanian crossing tax for the rousse - giurgiu danube bridge will be lowered, from 6 eur to 2 eur. It suppose to happen in the following weeks. Is there such info in Romanian media perhaps ?

http://ruse.dir.bg/news.php?id=13306211
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Old March 9th, 2013, 09:00 AM   #5671
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In neighboring Bulgaria tender laws for infrastructure state, that if an offer is by 30% lower than the average of all offers, it can be disqualified, unless detailed justification is presented to the commission and is not rejected too.
And 30% below the average is quite smaller difference than 50% lower than the next lower one...
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Old March 9th, 2013, 12:39 PM   #5672
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This is PPP, or private investment, and not public procurement, or public money funded project. If the investor contracts the project at 50% the credible price, then it is him who will bear the risk in that price. The only risk for the state is that the project cannot be completed in the low price, and the project to stall. But even with the public procurement projects, the final price is often higher than the contracted price due to various unpredicted factors.
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Old March 9th, 2013, 11:14 PM   #5673
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... The only risk for the state is that the project cannot be completed in the low price, and the project to stall. ...

this is the worst situation it could happen to any state. the state invests time (something you cannot buy). if the contract is cancelled the state pays the price. not the price of contract. the price of lack of motorway. much higher then the total of a contract.

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the risk is transferred to local companies. a vendor does not come with its own workers. it hires small local comapnies to do the job.
if the contract is actually 50% of a real cost estimation I would guess money goes to a vendor, but a vendor does not pay money back to its subcontractors (small Romanian companies). money stays in vendor pocket, local companies do not receive anything.

that is all about the risk
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There was a big trouble with Chinese construction companies recently in Poland with a lot of time and money lost. I don't think they'll be constructing anything in that country any time soon... But then again perhaps Chinese have learned something from that disaster.
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this is the worst situation it could happen to any state. the state invests time (something you cannot buy). if the contract is cancelled the state pays the price. not the price of contract. the price of lack of motorway. much higher then the total of a contract.

second thing:
the risk is transferred to local companies. a vendor does not come with its own workers. it hires small local comapnies to do the job.
if the contract is actually 50% of a real cost estimation I would guess money goes to a vendor, but a vendor does not pay money back to its subcontractors (small Romanian companies). money stays in vendor pocket, local companies do not receive anything.

that is all about the risk
That is not entirely true if we are talking about an financing agreement, which includes a construction component.

For example, if the Chinese offer a 1% interest rate for their investment (while being financially supported by the Chinese Gov) while a European company or consortium goes to the bank and gets a 6% interest loan (because it gets more exposure to the Romanian financial market), then in the long run (25 years amortisation expected for these Romanian PPPs) the cost of a EUR 1 billion financing agreement (the expected construction cost of say Comarnic-Brasov or A0) for the Romanian Gov will be:

EUR 1.28 billion in the first case (Chinese procured loan)
EUR 4.29 billion in the second case (EU procured loan)

Obviously, the Chinese overall financing cost will be much lower (3 times lower) while the construction costs remain the same in both Chinese and European led project (EUR 1 billion).
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BTW: today a new PPP was tendered - Craiova-Pitesti (120 km) at an estimated cost of EUR 1.5 billion. Deadline fo rbids is 8 May
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Old March 11th, 2013, 05:40 PM   #5677
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I'll wait and see.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #5678
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BTW: today a new PPP was tendered - Craiova-Pitesti (120 km) at an estimated cost of EUR 1.5 billion. Deadline fo rbids is 8 May
Gosh...1,5 billion ????For 121 km ? What kind of reason claims this government for such an astronomical cost? Daamn it, it's a plain/low hills highway !!!!
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BTW: today a new PPP was tendered - Craiova-Pitesti (120 km) at an estimated cost of EUR 1.5 billion. Deadline fo rbids is 8 May

1,7 billion for 121 km? 14 million Euro/ km for a motorway (or express road ??)competely plain. Hope it was a mistake. and hope it wont be built from my pocket
I suggest that only 7,4 mill of the citizens to pay the bill.
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That sounds like an entirely normal value for a PPP project. You have to take financing costs into account, therefor you cannot compare it with other projects.
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