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Old October 10th, 2009, 07:36 PM   #581
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I drew the current works in green, future new bridges with yellow, and light green - the new missing part of the beltway.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 09:22 PM   #582
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In the first picture sure it's not DN2.I also think it's DN1 somewhere near Sibiu.
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Of course that picture is DN 1 near west of Sibiu
I can confirm that ! In fact I'm the one who took that picture
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Old October 10th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #583
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Where I took the pci from, it refers to it as DN2.

What about the second pic then? It is from wiki's section of DN2.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 09:47 PM   #584
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The current Bucharest Beltway is upgraded to 2x2. First they will finish the northern section between DN 1A and DN 2. Also they will try to buit from scratch the missing part that is form DN 1A to DN 7. Later they will finish the northern section from A1 to A2.
I strongly believe that following these reconstructions there will be no at grade intersection, and the road will be like an european standard expressway. I know that they are building another bridge over DN1, a bridge over DN1A, a bridge over Tunari - Pipera road, and also a bridge for the future A3 motorway that will be operational next year starting from the beltway.

As for the motorway around Bucharest there are talks that the norhern part will be built by the same company that will take care of A2. But there are no real signs just yet.
Actually works on section between DN 1A to Dn7 are advancing. Here's a picture taken today with the construction of the bridge witch will overpass DN 7.
Also I can confirm that work on Pipera - Tunari overpass have started as I passed today on that area. They are pouring the foundation for the bridge pillars. Unfortunately I have no picture to post. And yes, there will be no grade intersections along the future 2x2 Bucharest ring expressway
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Old October 10th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #585
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DN2?

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Apropo de DN2 am fost de la Bacau la Iasi weekendul asta si am facut niste poze pe drum avand in vedere ca mergeam singur si ma cam plictiseam

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Vorbeam noi pe aici mai demult despre trotuare in sate. Uite ca se poate:
daca ar fii si o balustrada ceva de delimitare ca sa nu poata sa sara copii pe strada ar fii si mai bine.
Poate se va aplica si la alte sate ca mai apoi sa se poata pune 70 la ora.





Apropo dupa zona asta se lucreaza ; s-au reasfaltat vreo cativa km dar doar p
e jumate de drum ,cealalta fiind inlucru.











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Old October 10th, 2009, 09:51 PM   #586
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Where I took the pci from, it refers to it as DN2.

What about the second pic then? It is from wiki's section of DN2.
Indeed the second one was taken on DN 2 between Buzau and Ramnicu Sarat.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 09:55 PM   #587
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DN2?
Yes, DN2.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 10:44 PM   #588
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As i said before on several occasions on this forum, DN2 is a good asphalt quality road but it has a poor design for a road in our country where we are used to insane driving. I personally prefer classic 2x1 roads where things are much more clear. You should check DN 67 between Rm Valcea and Tg Jiu. It is perfect!! And so is DN1 Sibiu - Brasov. The main roads are indeed very good quality considering the amount of traffic (and trucks..). And the signaling is getting much better than some years ago. More roundabouts and islands on the road.. 1000km of motorway and we could say we he nice and good roads in general.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 11:02 AM   #589
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Yes, DN2.
DN2+DN28 Roman-Iasi section.
Don't forget that DN2 goes to Suceava and Ukraine.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 02:05 PM   #590
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That's indeed needed but there are no plans as yet.
IMO, more important would be a motorway link between Braila and A2 (Bucharest-Constanta)
Someone listened to me:

New motorway proposal to link Galati-Braila and A2. The investments will be entirelly private. Works will start in 2010 and the first section Galati-Braila is planned to be delivered in late 2011, with the rest of the section Braila-A2 in 2014:



In light blue on the map.

This will also serve the freight traffic coming from Ukraine and Moldova and will probably be extended in the future to the Bulgarian border (through Calarasi-Silistra) where another Danube bridge is planned.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 01:09 AM   #591
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Someone listened to me:

New motorway proposal to link Galati-Braila and A2. The investments will be entirelly private. Works will start in 2010 and the first section Galati-Braila is planned to be delivered in late 2011, with the rest of the section Braila-A2 in 2014:

This will also serve the freight traffic coming from Ukraine and Moldova and will probably be extended in the future to the Bulgarian border (through Calarasi-Silistra) where another Danube bridge is planned.
I read this thread frequently, but this is the first time I decided to write. I hope I'm not offending anyone through my opinions, but taking this kind of news for granted is just wishful thinking.
The reality is that things are progressing rather slowly in Romania when it comes to motorways, and talking about new projects (or in this case talking about recycling old projects) is thought to bring political capital.
This is a typical example: you start with a project people like to think will happen in the long term (Galati-Braila motorway), then give some dreamy explanation of how you're going to do it (it's privately financed, we can't tell you the builder's name) and give some personal words of wisdom (we'll choose the right of way such that people won't be tempted to start buy land over there right now - what is that supposed to mean?). Then you throw in an even more unlikely project that is to continue the first one (Braila - Drajna motorway). Then you give some very optimistic deadline for the first phase (2011) and another one for the second phase (2014).

Promises made in the past two years about this project are documented here (link in romanian):
http://www.galateni.net/forum/viewto...st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Truth is:
-financing is scarce
- no firm will enter a project without an attractive AADT
- expropriations take time
- archeological investigation takes time
- construction takes time
- current motorway priorities, and justifiable ones at that, are Bucuresti - Brasov, Targu Mures - Oradea, Cernavoda - Constanta, Arad - Timisoara, and beltways along Sibiu - Timisoara future motorway. And this will take at least 4-5 years. At the end of next year, we will hopefully have:
- Bucuresti beltway - Barcanesti section of Bucuresti - Brasov
- Campia Turzii - Gilau and another 20-30 kms between Oradea and Zalau, part of Autostrada Transilvania
- first 15 kms of Sibiu beltway
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Old October 15th, 2009, 08:49 AM   #592
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I read this thread frequently, but this is the first time I decided to write. I hope I'm not offending anyone through my opinions, but taking this kind of news for granted is just wishful thinking.
The reality is that things are progressing rather slowly in Romania when it comes to motorways, and talking about new projects (or in this case talking about recycling old projects) is thought to bring political capital.
This is a typical example: you start with a project people like to think will happen in the long term (Galati-Braila motorway), then give some dreamy explanation of how you're going to do it (it's privately financed, we can't tell you the builder's name) and give some personal words of wisdom (we'll choose the right of way such that people won't be tempted to start buy land over there right now - what is that supposed to mean?). Then you throw in an even more unlikely project that is to continue the first one (Braila - Drajna motorway). Then you give some very optimistic deadline for the first phase (2011) and another one for the second phase (2014).

Promises made in the past two years about this project are documented here (link in romanian):
http://www.galateni.net/forum/viewto...st=0&sk=t&sd=a
While I agree with most of the above (though the motorway proposal has its reasons), here's my stance on the below:

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Truth is:
-financing is scarce
Agreed, but we still have to hear about the investor. There are currently privately financed motorways in Romania.

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- no firm will enter a project without an attractive AADT
The traffic in between Galati/Braila, on one hand, and Bucharest/Constanta on the other, is made through that section. Plus a lot of freight traffic coming from Moldova and Ukraine. I am not aware of any AADT figures, but as it is, traffic is quite important, and will grow more so in the future. I am taking that route quite often so I know that for a fact.

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- expropriations take time
Law has been changed this year. Expropriations can happen very fast now. Provided there's money allocated.

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- archeological investigation takes time
Well, yes, but do we know there's need for archeological investigation now?

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- construction takes time
Everything takes time.

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- current motorway priorities, and justifiable ones at that, are Bucuresti - Brasov, Targu Mures - Oradea, Cernavoda - Constanta, Arad - Timisoara, and beltways along Sibiu - Timisoara future motorway.And this will take at least 4-5 years
These are not the only "justifiable" motorways.

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. At the end of next year, we will hopefully have:
- Bucuresti beltway - Barcanesti section of Bucuresti - Brasov
Maybe Bucharest-Ploiesti completed? (62 kms) They are working quite fast there.

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- Campia Turzii - Gilau and another 20-30 kms between Oradea and Zalau, part of Autostrada Transilvania
Yes, maybe.

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- first 15 kms of Sibiu beltway
That too.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 01:23 PM   #593
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I do not know whether this was posted so far:

DN1 (north Bucharest):




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Old October 16th, 2009, 03:02 PM   #594
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Transylvania Motorway on Discovery Channel full episode

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From the Hungarian thread:

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Initially the plan was to build the entire section as 2x1. But in 2005, we (Romania) have proposed the construction of a Vaja - Satu Mare - Baia Mare expressway (or even a motorway?). Check out this link:

http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagyb%C...3%B3p%C3%A1lya

And the plan is here:

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What is the status of this expressway from the Hungarian border to Satu Mare -> Baia Mare? It would be a great way to attract some tourism to the Maramureş region!
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Old October 17th, 2009, 11:50 PM   #596
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The initial execution year was 2009, but probably because of the crisis, it will be significantly delayed. There is very little money in the budget for infrastructure, this year and the next one. Any infrastructure money will be directed to Transilvania Motorway, A3, Cernavoda-Constanta motorway and Timisoara-Arad section of the A2.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 10:38 AM   #597
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The initial execution year was 2009, but probably because of the crisis, it will be significantly delayed. There is very little money in the budget for infrastructure, this year and the next one. Any infrastructure money will be directed to Transilvania Motorway, A3, Cernavoda-Constanta motorway and Timisoara-Arad section of the A2.
Timisoara-Arad is a section of A1.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 08:10 PM   #598
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Timisoara-Arad is a section of A1.
Yes, sorry. I do not know what I was thinking.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:30 PM   #599
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Naisssssss
http://www.autostradatransilvania.ro...nstructie.html
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Old October 19th, 2009, 07:37 PM   #600
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Plans for a nationwide motorway network under the communist regime (1960's):



Too bad it didn't happen, it would have spared us of lots of headaches until 2030 or so.
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