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Old August 11th, 2013, 11:18 AM   #6201
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@alwn, it's not a question of who started the projects and it's not a question of who completes them
you're right, however it was you who did ​​the link between the completion of 140 km and Mr. Sova.
Of course it's not a question who started but if you don't start anything (which is the case with the current administration of the country) you don't have anything to complete. In 2013/2014 they will complete what the previous administration started but after that?
Actually if you look deeply they use this "Grand Projects Department" for many other hits rather than for motorways development.
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http://www.dpiis.ro/uploads/files/HG%2022-05-2013.pdf
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The discussion was following an official recent statement, which announced the completion of 140 km of motorway in 2013. So the question was, considering that 17km were already opened in April, if it's realistic to have 127km of motorway more opened until the end of this year?
82 km on Sibiu- Orastie + 28 km Lugoj- Deva = 110 km
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And due to the way that the EU financing works, the suspension blocked the cash-flow for all the motorway projects for over one year, till May 2013. And that's the very obvious reason why all the construction projects slowed down till now. It is equally obvious that now all the construction projects and tenders have resumed, following the EU financing resuming this year
It doesn't explain why Lugoj- Deva, Lot 2,3,4 or Timisoara- Lugoj lot 2 are still under tendering since last summer. (except Lugoj-Deva lot 2 just signed 1 week ago). Also this doesn't explain the multiple budgetary cuts from infrastructure.
Btw, we paid from the national budget 313 mill Euro for Bors- Suplacu section which was left by Mr Sova administration in abandonment. Works were left 50% completed.. At the end we had paid but who responds for Bechtel after all?
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Old August 11th, 2013, 12:30 PM   #6202
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It doesn't explain why Lugoj- Deva, Lot 2,3,4 or Timisoara- Lugoj lot 2 are still under tendering since last summer. (except Lugoj-Deva lot 2 just signed 1 week ago). [...]
Just to clear the confusion of the other forumers that had to read all of this lame political bashing, it is Lugoj-Deva lot 4 that was signed last week, with the winner UMB. And lots 2 and 3 have uncontested builders (Salini+Secol, and Teloxim+other no-names), after all the legal procedures were solved, but the contracts haven't been signed yet. It shouldn't take much more, though, probably next week. Please document yourself before ranting on the international forum. Or better yet, don't rant at all, nobody over here cares about people's political bitching.
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Old August 11th, 2013, 02:51 PM   #6203
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And here we go! First signs of motorway activity in east Romania:

Bacau by-pass (31 km) appears to have a winner, following the opening of bids : the Romanian company UMB.

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Old August 11th, 2013, 02:54 PM   #6204
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Hopefully, they'll start organizing tenders for Dumbrava-Focsani, which is part of A5 and could get EU funding starting next year. This way, we'll start building a motorway backbone there too.
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Old August 11th, 2013, 03:19 PM   #6205
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Just to clear the confusion of the other forumers that had to read all of this lame political bashing, it is Lugoj-Deva lot 4 that was signed last week, with the winner UMB. And lots 2 and 3 have uncontested builders (Salini+Secol, and Teloxim+other no-names), after all the legal procedures were solved, but the contracts haven't been signed yet. It shouldn't take much more, though, probably next week. Please document yourself before ranting on the international forum. Or better yet, don't rant at all, nobody over here cares about people's political bitching.
You must be kidding..
If I say that there are big delays and things are not going well you categorize as "political bashes" or "political bitching"?
Unfortunately, in Romania sometimes the true could be the worst enemy for many people..

Ok then, far away from me the intention to disturb you with the true so I will change, to make you happy: everything is going perfect, current gov is issuing thousands of km of motorways yearly, we are close to catch up Germany bla bla, of course the few, little inconvenient are because of the previous gov, of course

and thank you very much for coming with such a great news, nobody knew that the contracts should be signed so soon .

However the idea was about the delays which are really big. Offers were submitted last year in July which makes the tendering process almost three times longer than the normal, setting a new (negative) record in the matter..

This article, issued 8 months ago (!!), has pointed that, at the time, it was already set up a record in terms of delays of the awarding.
http://www.finantistii.ro/transportu...a-5-luni-76298

To resume, signing the contracts in august means they can start the job in November and if everything is going perfect they could finish in late 2015- 2016, surpassing the deadline of EU financing program (2013+2). Even Mr Sova was not able to find any explain these huge delays.

So thank you again for announcing so loudly the imminent signing of the contracts.. and sorry for my big and inexcusable mistake Indeed Lot 4 instead of Lot 2.

Sadly but motorways are promoted and constructed by politics so you you discuss about motorways it is linked with politics obviously.
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Old August 11th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #6206
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Both lots (Lugoj-Deva 2&3) can be completed by end of 2015, if they sign this year. They have more than 2 years to build in their hand. Let's discuss of "what if it goes bad" when it really does. For now, they'll sign those lots and have plenty of time to complete by end 2015.
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@alwn, I know the same truth (except for minor things like the names of the actual contracts ), you don't need to be all that sarcastic. This thread is for showing the evolution of infrastructure in Romania, not bitching about politicians. We have plenty of spoiled threads in the Romanian section, whine over there. We even have a politics off-topic section. Besides, it's all behind us now, who cares? We're discussing the present and the future here.

Sorry for the offtopic to the rest of the forumers. I hope it's over and we can discuss new project that are coming soon, like the new bypasses that are close to the end of their tender
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Old August 11th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #6208
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Good shots today of a fellow forumer of works on A3 for the Bucharest connections. Mind you, pics are from today, Sunday!

Opening is expected in Spet-Oct.


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Cu ce sa incep? Cu ziua de ieri sau cu ce de azi?
O sa incep cu cea de azi fiindca m-a surprins sa vad la ora 17 activitate la centura, motiv pentru care am luat urma camioanelor, si avand la dispozitie un 4x4 am intrat in santier:


Pe sensul Popasului - Centura asterneau balast stabilizat, pe sensul Centura - Popasului asterneau asfalt, cred ca stratul de uzura:








Popasului. Nu se lucra la pasaj, insa ieri da, cu forte sporite:



Ziua de astazi, imi confirma ce mi-au spus ieri muncitorii adunati in jurul "Panzer"-ului german pe care il forjam prin santier. Si anume: deschiderea nodului Popasului printr-un giratoriu provizoriu intre 15 septembrie-1octombrie, pana la finalizarea supratraversarii.


Acum, in ordine cronologica, ziua de ieri, incepand din Gherghitei:
















Popasului spre centura. Pamant de umplutura pentru rampa de coborare de langa Domus:



"Panzer-ul" folosit la sedinta foto

















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Old August 11th, 2013, 10:37 PM   #6209
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Mind you, pics are from today, Sunday
Why do you emphasize it?
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Old August 12th, 2013, 10:59 AM   #6210
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82 km on Sibiu- Orastie + 28 km Lugoj- Deva = 110 km
Motorway openings in Romania in 2013:
A. OPENED
1. A1 Simeria - Orastie, opened on 30.05.2013, 19.5 km

B. OFFICIAL OPENING DATES
2. A1 Dumbrava - Sanovita, 28.08.2013, 27.5 km
3. A1 Orastie - Sebes Vest, 01.09.2013, 22 km
4. A1 Lancram - Sebes Est, 01.09.2013, 6.5 km

C. OFFICIAL ESTIMATES (opening date to be announced)
5. A3 Bucharest(Popasului) - Bucharest Ring Road, October 2013, 4.5km
6. A1 Sebes Vest - Lancram, November 2013, 2.5km
7. A6 Lugoj - Belint, November 2013, 10.5 km
8. A1 Sebes Est - Apoldu de Jos, December 2013, 24 km
9. A1 Saliste - Sibiu Vest, December 2013, 16 km

D. OFFICIAL ESTIMATE - UNCERTAIN
10. A1 Apoldu de Jos - Saliste, December 2013 / April 2014 ?, 9.5 km

TOTAL 2013: 142.5 km, out of which 9.5 km could be postponed for 2014.
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TOTAL 2013: 142.5 km, out of which 9.5 km could be postponed for 2014.
this would be nice
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Old August 12th, 2013, 11:14 AM   #6212
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Why do you emphasize it?
Because peope do not normally work on Sunday.

It shows they are pushing to complete that section this year. In fact, according to Baiazid, it will open in Oct:

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5. A3 Bucharest(Popasului) - Bucharest Ring Road, October 2013, 4.5km
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Motorway openings in Romania in 2013:
A. OPENED
1. A1 Simeria - Orastie, opened in February 2013, 19.5 km

B. OFFICIAL OPENING DATES
2. A1 Dumbrava - Sanovita, 28.08.2013, 27.5 km
3. A1 Orastie - Sebes Vest, 01.09.2013, 22 km
4. A1 Lancram - Sebes Est, 01.09.2013, 6.5 km

C. OFFICIAL ESTIMATES (opening date to be announced)
5. A3 Bucharest(Popasului) - Bucharest Ring Road, October 2013, 4.5km
6. A1 Sebes Vest - Lancram, November 2013, 2.5km
7. A6 Lugoj - Belint, November 2013, 10.5 km
8. A1 Sebes Est - Apoldu de Jos, December 2013, 24 km
9. A1 Saliste - Sibiu Vest, December 2013, 16 km

D. OFFICIAL ESTIMATE - UNCERTAIN
10. A1 Apoldu de Jos - Saliste, December 2013 / April 2014 ?, 9.5 km

TOTAL 2013: 142.5 km, out of which 9.5 km could be postponed for 2014.
Thanks. Good recap. Could you do something similar for expected contract signings this year?
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Old August 12th, 2013, 11:24 AM   #6214
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We'll see if those estimates will actually happen. I have my doubts, but so far the work progress in the past month is consistent with the estimated openings.

For instance, I really question the Orastie - Sebes Vest and Lancram - Sebes Est opening on the 1st of September. But we'll soon find out, since we're only three weeks away from that.

I know from last year from the A3 progress that if everybody is pushing hard amazing progress does happen. So, we'll see...
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Motorway openings in Romania in 2013:
A. OPENED
1. A1 Simeria - Orastie, opened in February 2013, 19.5 km

B. OFFICIAL OPENING DATES
2. A1 Dumbrava - Sanovita, 28.08.2013, 27.5 km
3. A1 Orastie - Sebes Vest, 01.09.2013, 22 km
4. A1 Lancram - Sebes Est, 01.09.2013, 6.5 km

C. OFFICIAL ESTIMATES (opening date to be announced)
5. A3 Bucharest(Popasului) - Bucharest Ring Road, October 2013, 4.5km
6. A1 Sebes Vest - Lancram, November 2013, 2.5km
7. A6 Lugoj - Belint, November 2013, 10.5 km
8. A1 Sebes Est - Apoldu de Jos, December 2013, 24 km
9. A1 Saliste - Sibiu Vest, December 2013, 16 km

D. OFFICIAL ESTIMATE - UNCERTAIN
10. A1 Apoldu de Jos - Saliste, December 2013 / April 2014 ?, 9.5 km

TOTAL 2013: 142.5 km, out of which 9.5 km could be postponed for 2014.
really good news.

I was trying to analyze these sections on map...
am i right saying this would be one stretch of motorway from Deva up to Selimbar ?

if so, well I must say this is a huge kick into romanian infrastructure !
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Yeah, most sections between Orastie and Sibiu will open, bar the small 9.5 km section Apoldu de Jos-Saliste which has problems with land slides and they are now working hard to stabilize a hill. That may open next year:



Also, approx half of the Lugoj-Timisoara route will be opened with Lugoj-Belint opening (part of A6).
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am i right saying this would be one stretch of motorway from Deva up to Selimbar ?

if so, well I must say this is a huge kick into romanian infrastructure !
Yes, that is correct. The estimated openings on A1 between now and April 2014 will result for the moment in 133 km of continouos motorway stretch between Selimbar (Sibiu South) and Soiomus (Deva). And that is "a dream come true" for the transit traffic towards Central Europe.

By the end of 2015 there will be a complete 333 km motorway from Selimbar (Sibiu South) to Nadlac (border), interconected with the EU motorway network. Actually the interconnection will happen in the Summer of 2014 when Hungary will complete the final 20km of M43 Mako - Nadlac, while Romania will complete the 46 km of A1 Arad - Nadlac.

I do remind that the border motorway section, Arad - Nadlac, was a very "unlucky" section.

The contract for Pecica - Nadlac (30km) was terminated this year for suspicion of fraud in awarding the tender and defalcation. The company owner is now in prison, cause he illegally transferred the funds for constructing the motorway from his construction company, Romstrade to his LCC, BlueAir. By the time of termination, the progress was about 20%. But that's a plain simple section, with only 2 overpasses and one exchange, which can be easily completed within 8 months by a serious constructor. Currently Astaldi was awarded the retendering procedures, so we can expect to have this section completed next Summer.

While Arad - Pecica (16km) was terminated in June this year, due to the banckruptcy of Alpine Bau. The retendering procedures are ongoing, and the awarding of the contract is estimated for this September. By the time of termination, the progress was 85% (!!), so it is easy to estimate a completion within 3-4 months once the contract is signed.

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so based on what you guys show/write I can clarify year 2015 would be a serious breakthrough. although 2014 would be pleasant enough
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really, once again, very good job.

what would be the cost of Selimbar- Pitesti section ? I suspect huge expenses ...
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Yes, but we really need to move on from A1, and look to breakthroughs on A3 (Comarnic-Brasov), A0 south, Craiova-Pitesti, Transilvania Motorway, A5. These are the real breakthroughs that the Gov has to take care of this year and the coming ones. Oh yeah, and contracting the Sibiu-Pitesti sections, which could be started this year or early next one. The EU funding is ready starting 2014.
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