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Old August 20th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #6301
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bridge over the canal that will link the port of Constantza to A4/A2 motorways

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Old August 20th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #6302
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Works on A3 Bucharest Ring-Bucharest City - a lot of activity there which hopefully will lead to completion by fall this year:

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Azi la ora 8.00 cand am ajuns in zona, se muncea demult, fapt ce m-a mirat si bucurat in acelasi timp:

















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Old August 20th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #6303
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Old August 20th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #6304
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Besides, if the EU went as absurdly on your "principle" that corridors should serve only international traffic, the current CIV north would have never been built
I never claimed anything like this. I said international traffic should have priority when dealing with pan-european corridors. Actually a link W Europe- Constantza port does look very attractive for the international traffic too, so I don't get your idea that the main purpose of CIV north was the local traffic. It was yourself who just mentioned "incredible columns of trucks on A2" coming from Constantza port, so besides the local traffic, the current CIV north is connecting the main port from Black Sea with Western E.
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Yes, it is. Look how much freight traffic is currently on current CIV north, without a motorway. That is freight traffic coming from Asia/Turkey/Balkans and going into WE, or viceversa. When a motorway will be completed, a lot more freight traffic will be moving on CIV north.
Again, I said Craiova- Pitesti is not a competition for CIV north. Since when Craiova- Pitesti is a part of CIV north?
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I just said that it is CIV north which does compete with CIV south, and that is obvious, because they run in similar directions, they are basically parallel motorways, and that construction of Craiova-Pitesti will make that become more obvious, with traffic moving through CIV north.
Parallel? similar direction? Sorry, not on my map.. Sure, I can almost imagine.. a car runing Vidin- Calafat- Craiova- Pitesti- Sibiu- Timisoara- Arad - Hu making a huge detour of 300 km.. If you are bulgarian and want to travell west would you chose this one instead of much shorter Vidin- Drobeta Tr Severin- Timisoara- Arad- Hu? Indeed, Craiova- Pitesti will move traffic, but it will be exactly the opposite what you claimed. Actually a lot of traffic will move from C IV north to CIV south. Bucharest- Pitesti- Craiova and maybe a motorway link with CIV south should attract a lot of traffic leaving Romania to West, on the expense of CIV north.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 08:22 AM   #6305
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bridge over the canal that will link the port of Constantza to A4/A2 motorways

Where abouts is this bridge? I can't see any obvious places on the map.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 08:41 AM   #6306
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Over the Danube-Black Sea Canal, to link the A2/A4 motorways to the Agigea Port.




This is how it will look:

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Old August 22nd, 2013, 10:13 AM   #6307
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A new alpine road completed in Romania: Transbucegi. This is the 3rd alpine road in Romania after Transfagarasan and Transalpina.





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TransBucegi road open by end-August. Transcarpatica is in the making
BUSINESS | NINEOCLOCK | AUGUST 22ND, 2013 AT 9:00 PM

Some 16 km of DJ 713 road in Prahova County were paved during the last three years and TransBucegi – the nickname of the new road to the Babele Chalet – will be formally inaugurated at the end of August, announced the president of the Prahova County Council, Mircea Cosma, quoted by local newspaper Jurnalul Prahovean and by HotNews.ro. In total, 16 km of road were paved with asphalt and the only things remaining to be done are installing the railing and painting the road marks. The investment cost over RON 50 M and will formally open on August 31, on the occasion of the Day of the Romanian Language, adds the newspaper. Mircea Cosma, president of CJ Prahova, announced that a large-scale celebration will be organised at the Cross on the Caraiman Peak, featuring representatives of all the counties of Greater Romania.

East of the new road, at a short distance, local authorities from the counties of Brasov and Dambovita prepare the Transcarpatica project, a road that will cross the mountain from Moeciu de Jos to Moroieni and will rival the Transfagarasan. The total length of Transcarpatica will be of approximately 60 km (39 in Dambovita and 21 in Brasov). Local authorities say that the road will cost some EUR 50 M. Transcarpatica will go along the route: Moroeni – Zanoaga – Bolboci – Padina – Dudele – Moeciu de Sus – Moeciu de Jos and will capitalise on the tourist potential of the region, as it is meant to complete a major tourist circuit (Bucegi Plateau – Bran – Brasov – Valea Prahovei – Bucegi Plateau).
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Romania’s Minister-delegate for infrastructure Dan Sova said Wednesday the contract to construct the highway linking Comarnic to Brasov should normally be signed on October 30.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 10:26 PM   #6309
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I'd get this thread drunk if possible should they sign this agreement.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 10:50 PM   #6310
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I never claimed anything like this. I said international traffic should have priority when dealing with pan-european corridors. Actually a link W Europe- Constantza port does look very attractive for the international traffic too, so I don't get your idea that the main purpose of CIV north was the local traffic. It was yourself who just mentioned "incredible columns of trucks on A2" coming from Constantza port, so besides the local traffic, the current CIV north is connecting the main port from Black Sea with Western E.
CIV in Europe has 2 main branches: one to Istanbul and the other to ... Constanta. Yes, Constanta is equal to Istanbul in importance for European trade in this part of Europe, and guess what, it is a Romanian city which was submited to the EC for consideration as a point terminus of this corridor. So yes, Constanta is both part of international traffic but also a key point of the local traffic because of that. So this is not a contradiction of what I was saying, but a confirmation. There are cities on CIV which in theory should not be there if only international traffic should be considered, and these cities are Constanta and Timisoara. Yet, they have been addded to this corridor to the benefit of these cities. And you can see the benefit of that now, when they took this corridor/motorway right into the port, latelly with this spectacular bridge now U/C. This is why the Danube-Black Sea canal is currently upgraded with EU funds. This is why the port is expanded with EU funds.

Because, Constanta will be an entry port not only for the whole SE region of Europe but also for Ukraine and parts of Russia. This is why Constanta is bigger than all other ports at Black Sea, including the Russian ports. This is why CIX is needed! And all this because Constanta was put on CIV, and in this way on CIX as well.


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Again, I said Craiova- Pitesti is not a competition for CIV north. Since when Craiova- Pitesti is a part of CIV north? Parallel? similar direction? Sorry, not on my map.. Sure, I can almost imagine.. a car runing Vidin- Calafat- Craiova- Pitesti- Sibiu- Timisoara- Arad - Hu making a huge detour of 300 km.. If you are bulgarian and want to travell west would you chose this one instead of much shorter Vidin- Drobeta Tr Severin- Timisoara- Arad- Hu? Indeed, Craiova- Pitesti will move traffic, but it will be exactly the opposite what you claimed. Actually a lot of traffic will move from C IV north to CIV south. Bucharest- Pitesti- Craiova and maybe a motorway link with CIV south should attract a lot of traffic leaving Romania to West, on the expense of CIV north.
You are being too theoretical. As you well know, there are many Turkish parking lots on the whole lenght of CIV north, on national road, for more than 10 years now. Yes, there is international traffic on this route without a motorway. By 2016 there will be a full motorway on this route - so-called CIV north. OF COURSE, a lot of traffic from the Balkans and Asia will move on that road, and it's absurd to think otherwise! More, when Craiova-Pitesti will be complete, most traffic from the bridge will move to CIV north. And so CIV north will become a problem to CIV south, at least while there is a hard competition for EU funds for the coming EU budgetary cycle 2014-2020.
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Old August 23rd, 2013, 08:16 AM   #6311
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Old August 24th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #6312
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CIV in Europe has 2 main branches: one to Istanbul and the other to ... Constanta
also the third one, going to north Greece
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As you well know, there are many Turkish parking lots on the whole lenght of CIV north, on national road, for more than 10 years now
I'm afraid things are changing.. Bulgarians just finished the motorway(Trakia) and it will be a full motorway Sofia- Istanbul no further than 2015.
For the transit traffic coming from Turkey, CIV north won't be so attractive anymore.
Istanbul- Sofia- bridge- Tr Severin- Arad- Nadlac 1209 km (about 1000 km motorway in 2015)
Istanbul- Giurgiu- Bucuresti- Pitesti- Sibiu- Timisoara- Arad- Nadlac 1327 km (around 800 km motorway in 2015)
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By 2016 there will be a full motorway on this route - so-called CIV north
of course without Pitesti- Sibiu, in the best scenario will be u/c.
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More, when Craiova-Pitesti will be complete, most traffic from the bridge will move to CIV north. And so CIV north will become a problem to CIV south, at least while there is a hard competition for EU funds for the coming EU budgetary cycle 2014-2020
but not the transit traffic to We. Calafat- Nadlac, via Lugoj means 418 km vs via Sibiu "just" 715 km. For the rest, it will increase the traffic to Craiova, Pitesti but on the expense of CIX, Giurgiu. So some people who want to travel south Romania, Craiova, Pitesti and further to Sibiu will enter by Calafat instead of Giurgiu.
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I'm sorry but you don't make any sense. Are you saying that the current CIV north which is transited by international traffic for more than a decade now (and I mentioned the dozens "Tir Parki" on the roads there), in the absence of a full motorway, will be left without international traffic once a full motorway will be available between Bucharest and Nadlac, as well as the Craiova-Pitesti motorway? Or will lose international traffic instead of gaining?! Or what are you exactly saying?

The number of km don't matter as much, and motorways are not made in a straight line, beccause of the end of the day, this is what is happening now, traffic goes through this route, irrespective it is not a motorway and is X number of km more than other route. And the reality is that, except this bridge, which was built to serve mainly the economies of the 2 countries, both Bulgaria and Romania, and the EU, totally overlooked the motoway connections between the 2 countries. And both Bulgaria and Romania focused on national infrastructure improvements, and connections with their western neighbours: Romania with Hungary, and Bulgaria with Serbia (and CX BTW).
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Old August 25th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #6314
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Trucks driving wrong-way on the motorway:



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Old August 25th, 2013, 02:24 PM   #6315
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I'm sorry but you don't make any sense. Are you saying that the current CIV north which is transited by international traffic for more than a decade now (and I mentioned the dozens "Tir Parki" on the roads there), in the absence of a full motorway, will be left without international traffic once a full motorway will be available between Bucharest and Nadlac, as well as the Craiova-Pitesti motorway? Or will lose international traffic instead of gaining?! Or what are you exactly saying?
As a matter of fact, yes. Not totally without (we should keep the traffic from east and Constantza port) but most traffic from Turkey, Greece or Bulgaria towards West will move CIV south or CX. Actually for international traffic is a problem of competition and I'm afraid our neighbors performed better in the last decade, don't you think? Just check what bulgarians built on C IV (Trakya, Maritza, Sofia ring) and Serbians on C X. Check in number of km (even you don't like) and you will see the difference. We are far away to complete C IV north, Craiova- Pitesti is just on the paper, Pitesti- Sibiu is still a dream so what are we talking about?

And 10 years ago the bridge was not there to provide a straight route towards west (even you insist that is towards east- Craiova..).
I just said about the traffic from Turkey that is fast and economical to go towards Sofia- Bridge-Arad rather than using the old route Giurgiu- Sibiu- Hu border but you seem to disagree..
At least on my map istanbul- Sofia- bridge - Arad is the straight direction (not counting Serbia) having less km, more motorways, less time and money to spend. A lorry coming from istanbul should have full motorway up to Botevgrad soon (crossing Sofia on the new ring) So only 630 km Istanbul- Botevgrad, full motorway and than Serbian C X or the bridge (170 km from Botevgrad) so is no discussion about C IV north. I repeat is only about traffic TUR/BUL (most), GRE towards West. If they have business in Sibiu or visiting, of course C IV north is a viable solution.
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maybe for you. For me it matters the no of km (distance), no of km on motorways so at the end time and money. If for you it doesn't matter I suggest y the following route: Bucharest- Alexandria- Caracal- Craiova- Pitesti- Sibiu- Deva- Lugoj- Timisoara- Arad- Nadlac. 917 km Thus you can use both CIV north and Craiova - Pitesti as well. I think you are the only one who wants to mix C IV north, Craiova- Pitesti motorway and the Hu Border in the same picture.
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And both Bulgaria and Romania focused on national infrastructure improvements, and connections with their western neighbours: Romania with Hungary, and Bulgaria with Serbia (and CX BTW)
Bulgaria didn't start yet kalotina motorway towards Serbia.
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To wrap this discussion here, this is how CIV north looks today, without a full motorway:

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Don't think it will be left without international traffic when a full motorway will become available.
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And same area, but on motorway -still U/C: Orastie-Sibiu LOT 1, to be opened soon:


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Orastie-Sibiu LOT 2:


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Near Sibiu (possibly Orastie-Sibiu LOT4):


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nod Sibiu Vest - activitate sustinuta







podul spre Rusciori...malurile au fost taluzate



hai mai repede cu rigolele de scurgere...caci altfel...









un alt punct "nevralgic"..a fost eliminat...dealul de la Cristian...peste tot este asfalt..respectiv balast pe o parte din sensul din stanga ( pe sensul Sebes-Sibiu )....se lucra la turnarea rigolelor de scurgere ..pe mijloc....nu stiu daca e o solutie f.inspirata...nu mi se par suficient de adanci...si la o ploaie torentiala....acvaplanare









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