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Old September 18th, 2013, 12:40 AM   #6481
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I hope they know what they're doing! Why were the original plans for an 80km/h speed limit on a brand new motorway?
I wonder what they mean by the "highway almost cutting through the middle of Busteni!" Why did that ever make sense?
Finally how can a route with more tunnels be more picturesque?
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Old September 18th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #6482
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I thought Romanian Motorways were built for 130kph speeds! Not long tunnels but open air sections.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 07:07 AM   #6483
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I hope they know what they're doing! Why were the original plans for an 80km/h speed limit on a brand new motorway?
I wonder what they mean by the "highway almost cutting through the middle of Busteni!" Why did that ever make sense?
Finally how can a route with more tunnels be more picturesque?
The initial route assumed more viaducts. They are now replacing most viaducts with tunnels for reason of lower maintenance and construction costs, and this allows them to build higher motorway standards through the mountains (120 km/h).

It will be pictoresque, I don't know why and to what extent "more".
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Old September 18th, 2013, 07:08 AM   #6484
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I thought Romanian Motorways were built for 130kph speeds! Not long tunnels but open air sections.
Yes, although there are possibile also 120 km/h motorways. It will be the case for this motorway.

Tunnels are needed for cost-efficiency reasons, as explained above.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 09:29 AM   #6485
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honestly saying I do not understand much from the article...

it says: "The route of the Comarnic-Brasov highway was changed almost one month before the winner of the concession agreement..."
I belive any enterprise willing to win that has to prepare internal business case which shows profits. now, a change of input values (different route) makes the already prepared business case useless.

really what I read from that article sounds like kindergarden games.


second thing:

just wondering about speed limit, which originally was limited to 80km/h. was it somehow a downgrade of motorway standard ?
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Old September 18th, 2013, 10:29 AM   #6486
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The route of the motorway is currently under discussion with the 3 potential investors, and a change from viaducts mainly to tunnels mainly appears to have come from the latter for cost reasons.

I have no clue about the 80 km/h speed limit. I'll let others to answer.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 11:11 AM   #6487
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120 km/h design speed can handle a 130 km/h speed limit without problems. Most countries have a higher speed limit than the design speed on motorways, there is a substantial margin when designing motorways.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 02:54 PM   #6488
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Here we go: the Gov will order a feasibility study for the Sibiu-Brasov motorway. They consider the route much cheaper than Sibiu-Pitesti.

I think we should forget about CIV through Olt Valey (Sibiu-Pitesti).
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Old September 19th, 2013, 10:34 PM   #6489
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The initial route assumed more viaducts. They are now replacing most viaducts with tunnels for reason of lower maintenance and construction costs, and this allows them to build higher motorway standards through the mountains (120 km/h).
I don't get it.

1) I think maintenance of a tunnel is more expensive than maintenance of a viaduct, isn't it?
2) How can a viaduct (crossing a valley) be replaced by a tunnel (crossing a mountain)?
3) Higher speed limit in a tunnel than on a viaduct?
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Old September 20th, 2013, 09:43 AM   #6490
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Old September 20th, 2013, 01:12 PM   #6491
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As I already stated many pages before, I think deleting the A1 Sibiu-Pitesti section from the building programme for the next decade would be an excellent decision. It's simply not efficient to build 2 very expensive route so near parallel to each other. Instead would be good to lean from the big mistake in many other countries, namely neglecting infrastructure development in/around the capital itself. Secondly near crowded DN-sections in the country should come highway/highwaylike-sections. An example is the DN28 section Iasi-Targu Frumos, very crowded, extremely unsafe. Third: create at least one west-east winter-proof connection through the mountains where you don't need to climb high mountains, but please let the multi-billion idea in peace that every km of the west-east link has to meet highway-standards, some tunnels in DN's can already give a huge improvement. .
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Old September 20th, 2013, 05:18 PM   #6492
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A1 Deva-Orastie

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Old September 21st, 2013, 08:49 AM   #6493
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Orastie-Sibiu:

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STRABAG
Arata super bine si se simte foarte frumos asfaltul...Mai au putin de lucru.
Pana la intersectie la Cugir COMPLET! gard,sant,parapet,antiorbire,liniat.
Asa cum am mai zis,fara sa dau termene,nu imi place sa zic date...calendaristice.
Zone foarte mici de lucru. Mai sunt ceva taluze de imbracat cu vegetal,ceva parapeti,foarte putina uzura de pus,ceva binder si bineinteles cele 3 zone arhicunoscute. Linia de inalta,imediat la intrarea pe tronson(incredibil),la pasaj Cugir,km 24 la Sebes est linia de inalta (HORROR). Foarte frumos si bine per total. O lucrare frumoasa. Executie curata.Dintre autostrazile din Romania cea mai bine/frumos construita imi pare Cernavoda_Constanta lotul MaxBogl. Lotul Strabag intra la bataie cu ei!
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Old September 21st, 2013, 08:50 AM   #6494
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Sebes by-pass:

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STRACO
Si la ei cam aceasi concluzie ca si la Strabag. Uzura arata si se simte bine de tot.
Sunt bucati mari cu prapet montat.
Centura Sebes...
Uzura/parapeti pana in apropiere de podul peste CF.
Zona cu probleme mari este tunelul peste CF de la km 26.
Urmatoarele 2 poduri de pe centura Sebesului au uzura.
Cel de la drumul spre Daia era in pregatire pentu hidroizolatie. In rest sunt cu AB2 la culee.
Viaductul (are peste 100m,s-au montat stalpii de iluminat) peste CF din apropiere Sebes est sunt aproape cu placile de racordare gata,urmeaza stabilizat si AB2-ul.
Astazi se acoperea ultima zona fara stabilizat din zona cu drumul spre Cut.
In rest pe tot tronsonul ASFALT...la diverse stadii...Uzura destul de multa(sunt montati parapeti) binder si bineinteles...AB2.
Mai este de lucru la santuri,taluze,rigola acostament,parapeti,spatiu servicii...etc.
In mare "stau" destul de bine.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 03:17 PM   #6495
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 05:27 PM   #6496
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Yes, there is. The first section of it is already being tendered, and the winners should be announced on the 10th of October. For now, they will only build 4 sections, between Turda and Sebes
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 05:34 PM   #6497
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I don't get it. Patea is at the border to Hungary. I guess Pascal20a wants to know the status of the Romanian extension of the future M49.hu to Satu Mare and Baia Mare. A west-east-road. I read about a planned motorway years ago!?

Turda-Sebes is a north-south connection.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 08:58 PM   #6498
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It was a sarcastic response, to go with the old and obsesively repeated question (is it the 3rd or 4th time?).

There are no intentions whatsoever to build an expressroad, or anything else for that matter in that corner of the country. We only have a 6-7 year-old FS, that was forgotten since. At one time, one year ago, a former transport minister born in the region tendered the redoing of the FS for a Satu Mare bypass, part of that express-road; but he was changed quickly, and AFAIK the tender was abandoned.

The only thing that might be constructed in the short term is a tunnel through the Gutai mountains, between Baia Mare and Sighetu Marmatiei (near Baia Sprie), that will greatly cut travel times and improve transit from Maramures and Bucovina towards the west, but also create a new transit route to the Ukraine. It is designed to be part of that hypothetical express road. This project has meen mentioned a few times recently in the media, but it is tendered by the local authorities, so I don't know its status at the moment.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 09:07 PM   #6499
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i would be surprised if anything happens with M49 in hungary in the upcoming years -of course one can never know. imo M3 is close enough now to the romanian border anyway, and M49 should be constructed only when traffic requires it.
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 11:13 PM   #6500
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that will greatly cut travel times and improve transit from Maramures and Bucovina towards the west, but also create a new transit route to the Ukraine.
If they rebuild the DN 18 as well, else ... you just don't want to see your own car on this road.

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