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Old October 26th, 2013, 04:24 PM   #6641
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More like € 7.8 million/km according to CNADNR.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 04:37 PM   #6642
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I bet the values will drop after the tender.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 04:41 PM   #6643
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Drop? Why?
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Old October 26th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #6644
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Because. That's the purpose of a tender.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #6645
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I've never heard about droping costs for a new road. The first appreciations are usually much lower than the final costs. Construction costs are usually rising.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #6646
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Not necessarily.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 09:35 PM   #6647
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I posted on the Romanian part of the forum some pictures with A1 motorway, Nădlac - Arad, lot 1, section. This motorway section was awarded to the austrian company Alpine Bau GmbH, but after completing 85% of the motorway, they went bankrupt (it was the Austrian largest company bankruptcy in history). The Romanian Transport Ministry canceled the contract with them, and now they are preparing the documents for a re-tendering.

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You can see the entire photo album in this thread.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 07:52 AM   #6648
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Turkish company EKO INSAAT VE TIC AS won the tender for the construction of Bacau motorway by-pass (31 km) for EUR 82 m, or EUR 2.66 m / km. Cheapest motorway in Romania so far! The construction works will be partially financed from the European Regional Funds.



This will be part of A7 connecting Bucharest to Iasi and further to MD and UA:

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Old October 27th, 2013, 07:57 AM   #6649
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Hope this means the start of an important motorway network construction in the Moldova region.

By the way. Can topographic maps like that where the new roads are drawn be obtained by any means?
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Old October 27th, 2013, 08:01 AM   #6650
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This map is all over the internet. I do not know what you mean by "obtained by any means" ?!
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Old October 27th, 2013, 08:11 AM   #6651
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Turkish company EKO INSAAT VE TIC AS won the tender for the construction of Bacau motorway by-pass (31 km) for EUR 82 m, or EUR 2.66 m / km. Cheapest motorway in Romania so far!

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I heard that it will be built only as half-profile, so you can't really compare the costs between this and other full-profile motorways.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 08:21 AM   #6652
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I want to see that decision turning it in half-profile, because I haven't. BTW: the second bidder in ranking was Max Boegl, with over EUR 3 mil / km, which is the cost of a full-profile motorway.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 08:30 AM   #6653
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I've never heard about droping costs for a new road. The first appreciations are usually much lower than the final costs. Construction costs are usually rising.
BTW: Bacau by-pass was estimated at EUR 134 m. Final price? EUR 82 m, 2/3 of the estimated price. And this is not the only example.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 09:10 AM   #6654
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so will hungary/romania have a motorway connection in september 2014 after all?
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Old October 27th, 2013, 09:14 AM   #6655
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I'm not sure. The motorway from Arad to the Hungarian border is divided into 2 sections:
  • Lot 1 (border - Pecica): was built by Romanian compay Romstrade which misused the funds and now it's owner is in jail; contract canceled at about 30% completion; section re-tendered and won by italian company Astaldi, but now it's in court for contestations
  • Lot 2 (Pecica - Arad): what I wrote above
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Old October 27th, 2013, 09:19 AM   #6656
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so will hungary/romania have a motorway connection in september 2014 after all?
2015 most probably. At least on the Romanian side.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 11:49 AM   #6657
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2015 most probably. At least on the Romanian side.
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BTW: Bacau by-pass was estimated at EUR 134 m. Final price? EUR 82 m, 2/3 of the estimated price. And this is not the only example.
I've got it meanwhile . I cannot compare apples and oranges. Sorry.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #6659
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Yes, it's confirmed now it will be half-profile, meaning the second carriageway will be built yet not get asphalted for a while... The price is still very much OKish, considering there is also a 1.5 km bridge.
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[*]Lot 1 (border - Pecica): Romstrade[*]Lot 2 (Pecica - Arad): Alpina
One company is Basescu's party, the other of Ponta. Both misused the funds, both prefer to destroy eachother's work instead of supporting eachother for the sake of Romania's economy and citizens.
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