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Old November 9th, 2013, 02:24 PM   #6721
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Besides the LEGAL LIMIT for any european road is 100km/h + 10km/h bonus. You can't expect traffic to go any faster than that SAFELY, especially without a central divider.
LEGAL LIMIT ≠ SAFE. You might be able to go faster safely, just not legally. You also might not be able to get anywhere near as fast as the speed limit while being safe.

That said, if the road isn't divided, then 100-110km/h is surely around about the top level of safe travel, even if 4-lanes wide (actually, especially if 4-lanes wide, as that implies that the road isn't empty).
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Old November 9th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #6722
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This is the whole extent of the proposed change:




I'll let others explain the implications.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 03:10 PM   #6723
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I'll let others explain the implications.
Why is that the map showing a connection Brasov-Bacau and not projects like A5/A6? Well, I think it could make sense but I've never heart about a planned motorway Brasov-Bacau.

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other projects: A6 Lugoj-Craiova-Calafat and A5 Ploiesti-Focsani.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 03:25 PM   #6724
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Why is that the map showing a connection Brasov-Bacau and not projects like A5/A6? Well, I think it could make sense but I've never heart about a planned motorway Brasov-Bacau.
Because the motorway Tg Mures-Iasi cost is astronomical (EUR 6 billion) and the mountain section is long > 100 km (just as in the Sibiu-Pitesti case). The motorway Brasov-Bacau has a small mountain section < 50 km, and the rest is as A1 now: a combination of low hills and plains, and it would bring the total cost at EUR 1.5 billion at most. The traffic would also make sense for a PPP, because it will remain the only section connecting Iasi/north with both A1/west and Bucharest.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 03:43 PM   #6725
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I wrote that I think it makes sense. But I've not yet heart of that project. Is a FS available? Or is it a new project?

What does "proposed change" mean, a proposal which is not yet approved by the government? Who has proposed it? Is it most likely that the priorities will be changed as shown in the map? Are A5 and A6 cancelled? What about Bors-Cluj, what about Craiova-Pitesti?
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Old November 9th, 2013, 04:20 PM   #6726
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That's more reasonable and cheaper solution, with a slight detour.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 06:49 PM   #6727
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I wrote that I think it makes sense. But I've not yet heart of that project. Is a FS available? Or is it a new project?

What does "proposed change" mean, a proposal which is not yet approved by the government? Who has proposed it? Is it most likely that the priorities will be changed as shown in the map? Are A5 and A6 cancelled? What about Bors-Cluj, what about Craiova-Pitesti?
It's a proposal from the Gov that comes with the new route Brasov-Comarnic, since it would be a much cheaper and faster connection accross the mountains in east Romania. The advantage is obvious, but there's no FS available yet of course.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 07:30 PM   #6728
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I know the advantage .

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It's a proposal from the Gov that comes with the new route Brasov-Comarnic
The proposal is favoring Comarnic-Brasov-Bacau over Tg Mures-Iasi and A5 Ploiesti-Focsani?
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Old November 9th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #6729
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This is the whole extent of the proposed change:


So, me from Bucharest if I want to travel to Bacau or Iasi by motorway should I go through Brasov?? you must be kidding
nobody from the south will go through Brasov in order to reach east part of Romania. Go west in order to go east

seriously, probably the map is incomplete missing the motorway Ploiesti- Buzau- Focsani - Albita/ Bacau- Iasi- Ungheni
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Old November 9th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #6730
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The proposal is favoring Comarnic-Brasov-Bacau over Tg Mures-Iasi and A5 Ploiesti-Focsani?
Probably could be an alternative for Tg Mures- Iasi only. Of course, not for Ploiesti- Focsani.

Comparison:

Brasov- Bacau- Iasi. 310 km, aprox 130 km (up to Onesti) through the mountains, so not cheap at all.

Tg Mures- Iasi 315 km (aprox 180 km through the mountains)

most probably Tg Mures- Iasi would be more expensive however has some advantages against Brasov alternative:

1. connecting the main cities from Moldavia (Iasi, Chisinau, Bacau, Suceava) with Cluj Napoca.
2. short distance to west
Iasi- Budapest 550 km instead of 680 km through Brasov option
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probably the map is incomplete missing the motorway Ploiesti- Buzau- Focsani - Albita/ Bacau- Iasi- Ungheni
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Of course, not for Ploiesti- Focsani.
I also think so. The map is definitly not complete. But I think it is possible that it isn't the purpose of the map to be complete but rather only showing the proposal for central Romania.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #6732
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Below are the mountain sections in red for the two variants: Tg Mures-Iasi and Brasov-Bacau. I'll let you draw the conclusions ....

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Old November 9th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #6733
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Belw are the mountain sections in red for the two variants: Tg Mures-Iasi and Brasov-Bacau. I'll let you draw the conclusions ....
That's not the point - not my question
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So, me from Bucharest if I want to travel to Bacau or Iasi by motorway should I go through Brasov?? you must be kidding
nobody from the south will go through Brasov in order to reach east part of Romania. Go west in order to go east
Yes, that's what will happen. And BTW: Bacau and Brasov are both north of Bucharest and quite close to each other on that route. Anyway, you need to think also in PPP terms (and financing terms) to realize the advantage of this route for a future PPP/concesion Brasov-Bacau, once Brasov-Comarnic will be contracted as PPP.

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seriously, probably the map is incomplete missing the motorway Ploiesti- Buzau- Focsani - Albita/ Bacau- Iasi- Ungheni
They will be made but much later.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #6736
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The advantage of this route Brasov-Bacau is that it ties east Romania both to Bucharest and West/A1 with one motorway section, which is not very expensive and very difficult to build.
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Old November 9th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #6737
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Thus the AADT would be higher and better for PPP. I know...
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Old November 9th, 2013, 09:12 PM   #6738
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Yeap! Good answer!
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Old November 9th, 2013, 09:25 PM   #6739
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Of course. I knew the reason. But that was not my question!
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Old November 9th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #6740
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I think I answered your question, or didn't I?!

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Aciliu viaduct at 2 Nov:

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mersi NGC, se auzea un sunet ciudat, cu siguranta maruntea balastul, poate il si uda ca era diferenta destul de mare de culoare intre cel din fata si cel din spatele utilajului.

2 noiembrie 2013

saptamana trecuta au inceput sa mai ia un strat inaintea viaductului, acum am vazut ca au intrat inca vreo 2m in pamant, iar in capat inainte de viaduct e o rampa sa se poata intra pe viaduct, acum au terminat de luat acel strat pe ambele sensuri de mers, iar utilajul ala se plimba pe partea dreapta, inafara "partii carosabile" sa zic asa .. se vede si in poza de mai jos ca utilajul lucra in partea de sus.

Sunt tare curios de ce au mai luat inca un strat atat de mare, oare se pregatesc pt fundatie .. pt tunel ?

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