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Old November 12th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #6781
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Dacia plant protests against the cancelation of Sibiu-Pitesti motorway. This could mean a big challenge to the Gov plans to change this route for Brasov-Comarnic. If the Gov returns to Sibiu-Pitesti motorway connection, no other motorway corridor will be built by 2020, meaning Lugoj-Calafat, and Ploiesti-Focsani will be cancelled. Also, Comarnic-Ploiesti will also be cancelled, as well as Brasov-Bacau and Sibiu-Brasov.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #6782
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If the Gov returns to Sibiu-Pitesti motorway connection, no other motorway corridor will be built by 2020, meaning Lugoj-Calafat, and Ploiesti-Focsani will be cancelled. Also, Comarnic-Ploiesti will also be cancelled, as well as Brasov-Bacau and Sibiu-Brasov.
this is simply NOT TRUE. you speculate with scary arguments...not rational ones. we all know that at the end, the contracted prices are around 60% from the evaluated costs. I don't believe that UE confinancing will be more than 1.5 Billions in this case.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #6783
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Yeah, let's hope for that. But I still don't think we have the EU money to squeeze both Sibiu-Pitesti and some other project in between 2014-2020.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #6784
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your statistic is useless because it is about the perception of corruption not about how corrupt a country is. I am not saying that Romania doesn't strugle with corruption, but romanians are much more critical of their country than any other nation that I know.

L.E. well I forgot about Italy! Italy in your statistic are on 72th place....which show that those numbers have nothing to do with how corrupt a country really is.
I'm not Transparency International,so its not my statistic....
Anyway call the Transparency offices in Romania and complain...
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:37 PM   #6785
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TI is not about the actual facts, but about perception. It's a totally subjective survey according to their own methodology. It's a refelction of people's subjective understanding and perception of corruption.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #6786
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Dacia plant protests against the cancelation of Sibiu-Pitesti motorway. This could mean a big challenge to the Gov plans to change this route for Brasov-Comarnic. If the Gov returns to Sibiu-Pitesti motorway connection, no other motorway corridor will be built by 2020, meaning Lugoj-Calafat, and Ploiesti-Focsani will be cancelled. Also, Comarnic-Ploiesti will also be cancelled, as well as Brasov-Bacau and Sibiu-Brasov.
my time to critise. not you, of course.

who is "Dacia plant" ?
is one factory in Romania strong enough to have a real impact on whole nation ?
sorry the more I read the less I understand.
let me go back to the Romanian motorway programme.
the programme must be independent on governments. looks like new guys came last December and sisnce then and new ideas have popped up. the ideas - completely naked, no financing backup, no FS study. this is crazy.

or am I missing something ?
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Old November 12th, 2013, 07:41 PM   #6787
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You missed the fact that it's Romania
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Old November 12th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #6788
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DN 2 was 32.5 k near Buzau in 2010. That is 150 km away from Bucharest. That is not local traffic at all. That is transit.
Local traffic doesn't mean just Bucharest. The road section you are talking about has a lot of local traffic from the town of Buzau. On DJ203K there are a lot of villages close to Buzau and these people have to use that part of DN2 if they want to go to the town. And there are probably many of them that commute because they work in Buzau.
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The Dutch have a saying "meten is weten" or "measuring is knowledge". You can't make plans based on guesses, they need more traffic counts. Traffic data I've seen so far is highly incomplete. You can't make a decision based on one traffic count on a 100 kilometer stretch of road.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 09:20 PM   #6790
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The Dutch have a saying "meten is weten" or "measuring is knowledge".
A German saying: "Wissen ist Macht" (knowledge is power).

http://www.textatelier.com

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Old November 12th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #6791
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my time to critise. not you, of course.

who is "Dacia plant" ?
is one factory in Romania strong enough to have a real impact on whole nation ?
sorry the more I read the less I understand.
let me go back to the Romanian motorway programme.
the programme must be independent on governments. looks like new guys came last December and sisnce then and new ideas have popped up. the ideas - completely naked, no financing backup, no FS study. this is crazy.

or am I missing something ?
Dacia is the biggest exporter in Romania ~ EUR 4 billion / year.

But IMO they are wrong. If Pitesti-Sibiu is cancelled for 2014-2020, Lugoj-Calafat-Craiova and Craiova-Pitesti motorways will become possible, and that will be better for both Dacia plant in Pitesti and Ford plant in Craiova.

The ideas about Brasov-Comarnic and Brasov-Bacau are not bad at all, for all the reasons already discussed. The problem is the money or lack of it.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 10:25 PM   #6792
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A Romanian saying "Lasă, că merge şi aşa" meaning "Leave it be, it works like this as well"
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Old November 12th, 2013, 10:29 PM   #6793
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Local traffic doesn't mean just Bucharest. The road section you are talking about has a lot of local traffic from the town of Buzau. On DJ203K there are a lot of villages close to Buzau and these people have to use that part of DN2 if they want to go to the town. And there are probably many of them that commute because they work in Buzau.
Local traffic near Buzau causing 32.5 k AADT?! That's a joke!
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Old November 12th, 2013, 10:49 PM   #6794
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Local traffic near Buzau causing 32.5 k AADT?! That's a joke!
Not all of course, but for sure about half of it is local traffic there. However, as Chris said, without any reasonable traffic counting this discussion has no point, we can just estimate but neither I or you can proove our estimations. And there is no link between traffic on DN2 and traffic on a future motorway Bacau-Brasov.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #6795
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Motorways planned in east Romania - Bacau-Brasov (170 km) proposed for EU financing 2014-2020 as I expected:


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Don't they have official maps that looks at least slightly better than paint and google maps?
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Old November 13th, 2013, 08:46 AM   #6797
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I frankly don't care about the quality of the maps - I do not want them to spend money on particular graphics.

The point of that map is that they are trying to get the whole section in between Sibiu and Bacau financed with EU money in the period 2014-2020 (and thus force the EC to swallow Brasov-Comarnic, and drop Sibiu-Pitesti). It's a approx 300 km long motorway stretch with an average difficulty similar to the now U/C sections of A1 in between Orastie and Sibiu, with the exception of a 20-30 wall of mountains that will pose some challenges. If they manage to do this by 2020, it'd be excellent.

Since Bacau by-pass is already awarded, they could also think to start work on Bacau-Iasi and thus have a full motorway linking Iasi with western Europeby 2020-2025. Much faster than any other option available, such as the mission impossible Tg Mures-Iasi.
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I guess the google map is drawn by an author of the artice Le Clerk quotes.

well, I must say if I treat my ideas seriously I do not spread it out until it is nicely wrapped. now, if CNADR spreads (or allows to spread) its ideas with a 30-second-work with google maps, then I think it is one of many ideas among others mentioned here in last 10 pages.
nothing serious, just to show others we are still in game.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 08:52 AM   #6799
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Sebes-Turda motorway was also just a mere idea came out of the blue 1.5 years ago, now it is already approved and financed by the EU, and tendered. That's about EUR 600 m that Romania got from the EU on the last meters of the 20007-2013 financing period.
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then who works in CNADR ? dinosaurs ?
if a 1,5 year old mere idea becomes serious enough to spend euro 600 m then how about planning and estimating real needs ? what you are saying means guys from CNADR live in their own, not real world. they could not predict EU trends/needs.
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