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Old December 8th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #6921
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PS: to the Romanian forumers: please don't start here a debate between A1 Sibiu -Pitesti and A3 Comarnic - Brasov motorways. Thank you.
Are you trollin?! So you drop the bomb and tell us to stay put. ?

It's not like Comarnic-Brasov is the only motorway out there that will cross the mountains, or will connect Bucharest with Iasi. The fact that somebody made a "wise" map does not mean he's right.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #6922
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Yes, the road is actually very good and more than enough for the existing traffic. Also, that masterplan is until 2022 only.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #6923
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Check out how the only north-south motorway connection in Romania will be Comarnic - Brasov motorway (PPP project, currently in the bid process, but contested by many because of it's high price on the long term).

PS: to the Romanian forumers: please don't start here a debate between A1 Sibiu -Pitesti and A3 Comarnic - Brasov motorways. Thank you.
I continue to think that 2x2 Ploesti - Brasov would be a mistake....
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I know it's 2x2 but it has a lot of one level junctions and passes through many villages and towns with 50kmh speed limit....(babycry)
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Old December 8th, 2013, 10:11 PM   #6924
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Are you trollin?! So you drop the bomb and tell us to stay put. ?
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BTW, this network forces international traffic to make a lot of deviations and prolongs travel distance in Romania. I am sure it's just a side effect
So I replied him why are this deviations made.

I don't want to drop any bomb because I know what discussions might this bring and I want to keep this thread "clean".
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Old December 8th, 2013, 10:12 PM   #6925
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Why there is no Bucharest-Giurgiu motorway?

BTW, this network forces international traffic to make a lot of deviations and prolongs travel distance in Romania. I am sure it's just a side effect
The masterplan is not made for the international traffic, but for the local priorities, which cause more traffic than the international traffic.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 10:13 PM   #6926
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I continue to think that 2x2 Ploesti - Brasov would be a mistake....


I know it's 2x2 but it has a lot of one level junctions and passes through many villages and towns with 50kmh speed limit....(babycry)
Those sections are not going to stay like that for ever, but they are ok for the time being. It's just that Romania cannot build all motorways until 2020, which is this masterplan, and needs to prioritize. The masterplan, as it is now, tagets the most urgent priorities IMHO, leaving aside the Comarnic-Brasov vs Pitesti-Sibiu debate.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 10:16 PM   #6927
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Unconvincing. However. lets drop the subject. I like you have a masterplan unlike us.
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The masterplan is not made for the international traffic, but for the local priorities, which cause more traffic than the international traffic.
Local priorities will deviate side by side international priorities Oil importers and producers in Romania definately like this map
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Old December 8th, 2013, 10:26 PM   #6928
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The oil imports in Romania, and oil processing is done along A2, A4 and A3, respectivelly processing at refineries in Navodari, Ploiesti, and Bacau, with oil imports made in Constanta. So even now there is a continuos motorway in between these points, bar Bacau which is currently considered for connections through Brasov. So, the current masterplan actually serves better the oil routes.

It's not about being convincing. This masterplan follows the most urgent traffic needs, balacing them with the available money. My opinion is that it is very good as it is, and I would be quite happy to see it achieved by 2020, although we all know that plans do not actualy work well in reality.
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So I replied him why are this deviations made.

I don't want to drop any bomb because I know what discussions might this bring and I want to keep this thread "clean".
I do not think we should or can build 2 parallel motorways through the mountains at the same time.

V1. The current masterplan proposes 2 motorways through the mountains, connecting all regions of Romania:Comarnic-Brasov and Brasov-Bacau, as well as the most industrialized and touristic area in Romania: Bucharest-Ploiesti-Brasov. It would also ensure connections with A1 exit in Nadlac through Sibiu-Brasov motorway.

V2. On the other hand, if we start building Sibiu-Pitesti, there is no point in building the parallel Comarnic-Brasov nor the Brasov-Bacau connection, thus losing connections with east Romania, as well as the logical conection between Brasov and Bucharest.

It is obvious from the above which is by far the most effective variant between V1 and V2, and I am happy they made the logical option.
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Sorry, I unleashed the animal
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Old December 9th, 2013, 12:05 AM   #6931
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A1 near Sebes, ready for opening:


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Sorry, I unleashed the animal
And I am not even the most fervent proponent of this masterplan in the Romania section.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #6933
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A1 near Sebes, ready for opening:
This pictures are actually from A1 Deva - Orastie motorway, which is already opened.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 12:08 AM   #6934
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Well, yes. I misquoted. Corrected.
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And I am not even the most fervent proponent of this masterplan in the Romania section.
This is not a masterplan. This is just a political promise.

This is a masterplan:

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Old December 9th, 2013, 12:14 AM   #6936
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This is not a masterplan. This is just a political promise.

This is a masterplan:
I do not see the difference. They are actually implementing the masterplan as we speak:

- Comarnic-Brasov winner will be know tomorrow
- preparing the Sibiu-Brasov FS tender
- awarded Bacau by-pass
- Pitesti-Craiova will be awarded early next year
- same for A0
- preparing tender for Campia Turzii - Tg Mures

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Can you tell the difference between a political-promise map and a masterplan?
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You made the difference, you explain.

If it's just the fact that a promise doesn't mean facts, than I was looking for smth more nuanced.

/ If you mean deadlines, funding sources, FSs, etc, some are there, others aren't. /
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Old December 9th, 2013, 12:56 AM   #6939
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You made the difference, you explain.
Ok. Assume I'm the Prime Minister and I go public with this map. Is this a masterplan? There are motorways drawed on the map between the main Romanian cities. It's ok if we build this?



Or this?


For the international readers: this is a map from the '60.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 01:00 AM   #6940
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I am still waiting for answers not questions.

The masterplan that we have now includes most projects that are currently in the pipeline. Yes, of course they are promises, like the promises we had 7 years ago about 1,000 km motorway by now, but at least there is a chance that some of those promises will be realized.
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