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Old December 21st, 2013, 01:45 PM   #7121
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Projects such as Bucharest-Alexandria, or Lugoj-Calafat have not been mentioned by the minister at the last interview on motorway planning I posted above
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Old December 21st, 2013, 01:49 PM   #7122
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Old December 21st, 2013, 04:08 PM   #7123
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Campia Turzii- Ogra (how come the length became 53km from the initial 36 km?)
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Old December 21st, 2013, 04:22 PM   #7124
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ah, the new length of Campia Turzii- Ogra was delivered my Sova.. Same Sova who came very confident with wrong results just after the referendum . Maybe he was again tired when changed the length of Campia Turzii- Ogra
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Old December 21st, 2013, 04:33 PM   #7125
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All those projects will have LOTS, and some of these lots will become operational earlier, in 2015 and 2016.
Well please be more specific. What lots could be delivered in 2015/ 2016? All these lots have not yet been awarded.
If I am (very) optimistic some of these lots could be U/C in the 4 quarter 2014.
I have doubts even about Arad- Nadlac to be fullfilled in 2014. They didnt sign yet the contracts and at least for Lot 1 if they don't start works in march/april it is almost impossible to deliver it in 2014.
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 09:26 AM   #7126
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ah, the new length of Campia Turzii- Ogra was delivered my Sova.. Same Sova who came very confident with wrong results just after the referendum . Maybe he was again tired when changed the length of Campia Turzii- Ogra
I've read other reports that in fact they will tender Campia Turzii-Tg Mures, and not Ogra. If that's the case, then that is why we have this reference to 53 km.
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 09:35 AM   #7127
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Well please be more specific. What lots could be delivered in 2015/ 2016? All these lots have not yet been awarded.
If I am (very) optimistic some of these lots could be U/C in the 4 quarter 2014.
I have doubts even about Arad- Nadlac to be fullfilled in 2014. They didnt sign yet the contracts and at least for Lot 1 if they don't start works in march/april it is almost impossible to deliver it in 2014.
I think it is possible to complete the following by end of 2015:

- (A3) Comarnic-Sinaia
- Bacau by-pass

And by the end of 2016:

- A3 on Ghimbav-Rasnov(-Predeal)
- A0 south
- Bors-Suplacu
- some good sections of Craiova-Pitesti, if not all
- Campia Turzii -Ogra/Tg Mures
- possibly smth on Sibiu-Brasov, probably Brasov-Fagaras

These all are to be tendered and contracted next year, and the geography is not very difficult, so it is possible to complete works in 2 years.

If these will be confirmed, Romania will break the 1,000 km motorway benchmark in 2016 or 2017 at most.
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 12:08 PM   #7128
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Just 3 days after opening, we have an accident involving 40 cars on A1 Orăștie - Sibiu, lot 2, near Cunta exit. Only one person was injured. Pictures from the Romanian forum, taken by trifuhoria:

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More pictures on the Romanian forum, A1 motorway thread.

Reasons for happening this accident: ice on the road, no salt spreaded to melt it, dense fog and all cars breaking to exit the motorway (there's a dead-end on the motorway until the next section is completed, so all cars have to exit there).
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 12:17 PM   #7129
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A proper way to inaugurate the new motorway sections!
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 12:44 PM   #7130
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ice on the road, no salt spreaded to melt it
Is the Romanian State liable for not spreading salt?
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 12:48 PM   #7131
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Yes, it could be held liable, but how can you tell the cause is exclusively lack of salt or other anti-ice substances?! Lack of attention, speeding, careless driving, lack of adaptation to road conditions (fog) have all contributed to this outcome. Which was more important in causing the crashes, and how can you establish the chain of events?!

Anyway, nobody was hurt, that's the good news. And another good news is that this crash will be a lesson for the future. I hope.
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 12:56 PM   #7132
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And something interesting - motorway opening history and predictions for 2012 and 2013:




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le Clerk, 2 years ago you was counting 770 km end 2013. So 130 km more than they really did. Seems that you always are one step ahead.

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I think it is possible to complete the following by end of 2015:

- (A3) Comarnic-Sinaia
- Bacau by-pass

And by the end of 2016:

- A3 on Ghimbav-Rasnov(-Predeal)
- A0 south
- Bors-Suplacu
- some good sections of Craiova-Pitesti, if not all
- Campia Turzii -Ogra/Tg Mures
- possibly smth on Sibiu-Brasov, probably Brasov-Fagaras

These all are to be tendered and contracted next year, and the geography is not very difficult, so it is possible to complete works in 2 years.

If these will be confirmed, Romania will break the 1,000 km motorway benchmark in 2016 or 2017 at most.
Le Clerk, are you living in China?? according to you they will start Comarnic- Sinaia next spring and already complete in 1 year and 9 months?
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 01:00 PM   #7133
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le Clerk, 2 years ago you was counting 770 km end 2013. So 130 km more than they really did.
Is that your "reasoned" answer to my reply to you?! Can you make a diffference between a journal quote and me saying that?!
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 01:13 PM   #7134
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Too bad we didn't top the 400 km threshold this year.

But next year will break 2 limits: 400 and maybe 500 km. And in 2013 the 700 km ceiling!
It was you, 2 years ago
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A good projection of motorway development in Romania until 2013, based on current contracts in force:


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evolution of motorway network lenght 2008 - 2013:
2008: 262,9 km
2009: 304,9 km
2010: 332,5 km
2011: 390,15 km
2012: 494,9 km
2013: 775,3 km


* might be delivered end-2012
again you, very optmistic
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Le Clerk, are you living in China?? according to you they will start Comarnic- Sinaia next spring and already complete in 1 year and 9 months?
Comarnic-Sinaia is a 14 km section with no tunnels, yet a few bridges and viaducts (5 if I remember well). It's possible to build it in 18 months.
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again you, very optmistic
I was not. Read again what I wrote : "based on contracts". What is your problem?!
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I think it is possible to complete the following by end of 2015:

- (A3) Comarnic-Sinaia
- Bacau by-pass

And by the end of 2016:

- A3 on Ghimbav-Rasnov(-Predeal)
- A0 south
- Bors-Suplacu
- some good sections of Craiova-Pitesti, if not all
- Campia Turzii -Ogra/Tg Mures
- possibly smth on Sibiu-Brasov, probably Brasov-Fagaras

These all are to be tendered and contracted next year, and the geography is not very difficult, so it is possible to complete works in 2 years.

If these will be confirmed, Romania will break the 1,000 km motorway benchmark in 2016 or 2017 at most.
Le Clerk, most of these projects are by PPP/ national budget.
With PPP, you can negociate months without concluding nothing. OK, we just awarded a PPP for Comarnic- Brasov but let's wait and hope not to see the same story like in 2010 with the same Vinci. It is not so easy with PPP and we are at the very beginning with this kind of projects. Also PPP depend of traffic and Ive my doubts that traffic of Craiova- Pitesti it will be a good groundwork to conclude a PPP.
About the national budget you know it is rather tight and I have again doubts that the extra money coming from the oil excise will really go to the motorways program. Not to mention they will postpone the tax increasing.
About Brasov- Sibiu, first you have to convince EU to include this motorway within the financing program 2014-2020. In a very optmistic scenario we might see the works started in 2015.

Regarding Bacau belt, indeed there are hopes to conclude the first part of the project until 2016, which should be 16 km of national road 2+1, extended to motorway later.
http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential...-casuneanu.htm

Sorry, but I was counting for openings 2014-2016 only sectors already signed or to be signed in the next 3-4 months.

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2013: 636 km new108 km: A1- 60 km Sibiu- Orastie, A1-17,5 km Lugoj-Deva I, A6- 11,4 km Lugoj-Lugoj centura, A1- 17,4 km Deva- Orastie, A4 -2 km Constanta bypass
2014: 704 km new67 km: A1 Arad- Nadlac 38,8 km, A3 Bucuresti- ring 6,5 km, A1 Sibiu- Orastie III- 22 km
2015: 740 km new36 km: A1 Timisoara- Lugoj 25,6 km, A1 Lugoj- Deva I- 10 km

2016: 882 km new142 km: A1 Deva- Lugoj Lot 2,3,4 - 71,8 km, Sebes- Turda 70 km
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 02:25 PM   #7139
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my favourite one (Le Clerk' own opinion):

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I do not think we'll be able to build 2700 km of motorway in 10 years, but I would be ready to bet some money on 2000 km to be built by 2020. Hopefully.
now my two cents:
many many times you were bringing (or qouting) here silly messages.
many many times you answered: this is not mine, it belongs to journalists.

you, as intelligent person should filter the news first, before posting, otherwise your posts do not look wise.
this is not spreading optimism. this looks like Romanians (even now you argue with alwn) believe in shit you post here.
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Comarnic-Sinaia is a 14 km section with no tunnels, yet a few bridges and viaducts (5 if I remember well). It's possible to build it in 18 months.
Here's the plan for A3 motoway near Comarnic:



As you can see, it starts with a 1 km long tunnel under Comarnic.

And if I just look on Google maps at the terrain between Comarnic and Sinaia I seriously doubt they can complete it in just 18 months. That's not an easy terrain for building motorways: http://goo.gl/maps/mflNA
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