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Old January 3rd, 2014, 08:18 PM   #7221
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The effervescence is normal. They are already discussing/negotiating with dozens of subcontractors to buy/rent materials, machinery, housing etc. They have already started it as soon as they got the award, and will probably start works first thing in spring. Over EUR 1 billion poored there will boost the small businesses in the area.

It's going to be a hectic economic activity in the area in the coming 5 years, and the construction imagery will be just amazing.
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Old January 4th, 2014, 02:15 PM   #7222
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Craiova-Pitesti motorway concession (121 km) bidders were announced today:

Consortium 1: Obrascon Huarte Lain SA - OHL ZS SA

Consortium 2: China Communications Construction Company - Dogus Insaat VE Ticaret AS - Egis Projects

Consortium 3: Spedition UMB - Tehnostrade - Vectra Service

Consortium 4: Strabag AG - Strabag SE - Vinci Construction Grands Projects - Vinci Construction Terassament - Aktor SA - Aktor Concessions SA

Consortium 5: Impregilo SpA - Salini SpA


Works are expected to start this year, if no litigation will follow. In the case of Comarnic-Ploiesti concession, the award was not disputed in courts, so there is hope for the same here.

PS: I am curious whether the Chinese will get this one.






The last concession to be decided in the coming period is A0 south (50 km) - Bucharest south ring motorway.


Just an idea of the position of this motorway in the grand plan of motorways - by bogdymol:

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Old January 4th, 2014, 03:18 PM   #7223
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Old January 4th, 2014, 03:21 PM   #7224
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This article published in the Romanian forum.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 12:07 PM   #7225
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What designation will be given to Craiova-Pitesti?
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Old January 5th, 2014, 12:24 PM   #7226
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Some say it will be A12, but I haven't heard any official news yet.

Maybe one of the Romanian forum members would send them an e-mail asking about this?
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Old January 6th, 2014, 01:27 AM   #7227
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They said to me it is A12.
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Old January 6th, 2014, 08:39 AM   #7228
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Why A12, when it connects A1 and A6 ?!
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Old January 6th, 2014, 09:46 AM   #7229
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I also heard about A12, but nothing official yet.
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Old January 6th, 2014, 11:43 AM   #7230
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Again, the Company answered me that it is going to be A12. So that makes it quite official. And let's not think about the fact that it links A1 to A6. It has no importance. BTW, A6 is Lugoj - Calafat, not Lugoj - Craiova - Calafat!
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Old January 6th, 2014, 11:44 AM   #7231
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Why not A8 or A9? Both are not yet used.

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And let's not think about the fact that it links A1 to A6.
Correct. That doesn't matter.

But it should be A12 if the company says A12...
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Old January 6th, 2014, 12:17 PM   #7232
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Again, the Company answered me that it is going to be A12. So that makes it quite official. And let's not think about the fact that it links A1 to A6. It has no importance. BTW, A6 is Lugoj - Calafat, not Lugoj - Craiova - Calafat!
Craiova-Pitesti motorway needs to be continued anyway until it intersects with A6. It cannot stop in Craiova.
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Old January 6th, 2014, 03:05 PM   #7233
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In case you like maps, the updated version of my animation:



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Old January 6th, 2014, 06:05 PM   #7234
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baberland, can't wait for 2014 data !
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Old January 6th, 2014, 10:42 PM   #7235
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baberland, can't wait for 2014 data !
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Old January 7th, 2014, 01:06 AM   #7236
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Hello Romania!
I don't understand the logic behind those plans...
So, there will be 2 highways connecting Bucharest to Budapest (one via Brasov-Cluj and one via Sibiu-Timisoara) but NOTHING to Sofia and even not one highway to Serbia. Can someone explain that?
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Old January 7th, 2014, 01:50 AM   #7237
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Well if you look at the traffic map posted in the last week there ain't much traffic near the Serbian border...so fair enough.

However the road from Bucharest south to the Bulgarian border is a very busy road by Romanian standards and the Romanians only propose a 100kph expressway on that route, at most. For such a large country I cannot understand why they do not have a minimum 110-120kph expressway standard as well as the 130kph Motorway standard.
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Old January 7th, 2014, 02:36 AM   #7238
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For such a large country I cannot understand why they do not have a minimum 110-120kph expressway standard as well as the 130kph Motorway standard.
Well I would rather say that motorway standard in Romania is rather minimum and I do not find any way to make building of roads cheaper without compromising safety standards eg. hard shoulders. So for me Romania should build only motorways but for gosh sake take out this 80 km/h in rains on motorways especially when on parallel E road in rain I can go 100 km/h. Not that Police bothers with this 80 km/h but I would rather drive legally with safe speed than bother if this is rain or only angels cry
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Old January 7th, 2014, 08:20 AM   #7239
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Brasov-Bacau makes sense. It's the busiest mountain passage to the east. It's going to make even more sense once Moldova gets rid of visas for the EU space, probably mid 2014. Most traffic from and to Moldova will take A1 to Brasov, and then Bacau mountain gorge.
But I said that before, innit?!
Actually, Brasov-Bacau isn't the bussiest mountain passage to the east.
According to Cestrin 2010 census, Brasov - Bacau, the key sector/the maximum MZA for DN 11 is in Oituz Passage with only a total of 8.649 vehicules.

Piatra-Neamt - Bicaz sector has a total of 8.785 vehicules and DN 17 has 8.274 vehicules for sector Gura Humorului-Campulung Moldovenesc, a similar value of traffic with an increase near C-lung,over 10.000 vehicules.

In my opinion it doesn't have sense to construct (yet) a highway for sector Brasov-Bacau:

1. If I want to reach Bacau from Brasov/Bucuresti/southern part of Romania I'll have to make a detour to Transilvania and climb and descent twice the Carpathian Mountains.
2. Most traffic/vehicules won't take a detour, 'cause it will be easier/less fuel consumption/timeless to follow the actual DN 2/E 85.
3. The solution to establish a highway to Oituz Mountain is a Sova style "thinking". Oituz section is a geological barrier, there are some flish rocks very rough. The actual DN 11 is a confirmation of the geological structure. The difficulty of the terrain is not similar to Prahova Valley, because in this area there aren't any medium river beds/valley to follow. It will be a major project with viaducts, tunnels and speed limits. Ask a specialist in geomorphology/geographer to explain the area and after that send the demo to Sova.

The solution is to finance a motorway for section Focsani-Bacau-Iasi/Focsani-Barlad-Husi/Focsani-Bacau-Suceava and further to Moldova/Ukraine.


Bucuresti-Brasov-Bacau = 362 km (2 passing of the Carpathians) vs Bucuresti-Focsani-Bacau (following the Siret Valley and the Romanian Plain) = 286 km. Which one is better?
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Old January 7th, 2014, 08:21 AM   #7240
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Hello Romania!
I don't understand the logic behind those plans...
So, there will be 2 highways connecting Bucharest to Budapest (one via Brasov-Cluj and one via Sibiu-Timisoara) but NOTHING to Sofia and even not one highway to Serbia. Can someone explain that?
Actually, there will be 2 motorways connecting to Sofia and Belgrade.

To Sofia there will be Bucharest-Giurgiu-Ruse-Sofia, and Bucharest Pitesti-Craiova-Calafat-Vidin-Sofia.

Same goes to Belgrade. There will be the motorway Bucharest Pitesti-Craiova-Calafat-Vidin-Botevgrad-Belgrade and Bucharest-Timisoara-Belgrade (which can be reached both through A1 and A6).

But both these regional connections are secondary to the main plan which is pictured in that map, which follows traffic values. In Romania, local traffic is much more busier than the international traffic.
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