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Old March 16th, 2014, 12:20 PM   #7461
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28 million € just for a FS?
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Old March 16th, 2014, 12:23 PM   #7462
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Yeah, that's a lot of money. They now have to redo the FS for this ~116 km across the mountains motorway and it involves some serious geological research. Here's the map from 2007 FS.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 12:26 PM   #7463
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Yeah, and it's only an "estimate" amount, which ussualy goes down a lot following the tender procedures, in some cases as low as 50%.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 01:20 PM   #7464
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I don't know if this info was posted here yet, but according to the initiative of Romania at the scheduled 13 Feb 2014 meeting of the joint-motorway working group, the M43-A1 border crossing infrastucutre will be built on the Romanian side, with Romanian funding.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 06:06 PM   #7465
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This was not posted before. Thank you for sharing this with us.

In the next e-mail to Romanian road company we will also ask about this. Problem is that they answer 30 days after you ask.
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Old March 18th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #7466
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Where is the motorway Comarnic- Brasov? It was supposed to see the broke ground the next month

Craiova- Pitesti?

Where is the EU approval for financing Sibiu- Brasov or Brasov- Bacau? You was overoptimistic that EU will include these projects in 2014-2020 planning


and now you are blaming the war? )) well your war theory doesn't make any sense if you look at Polish or Bulgarian sections.

Btw, when the master plan will be finaly approved I wouldn't be very surprised to find there Lugoj- Caransebes- Tr Severin- Calafat and no trace of Sibiu- Brasov- Bacau

LOL, wrong!

Here are the official priorities, in this order:


1. Completion of works on corridor Nădlac - Arad – Timişoara - Lugoj – Sebeş – Sibiu – Piteşti – Bucureşti (București by-pass) – Constanţa

2. Starting works for Sibiu – Pitesti;

3. Starting works on:
  • Timisoara-Lugoj-Drobeta Turnu Severin-Calafat-Craiova-Bucuresti with split to Timişoara-Moraviţa/Serbia
  • Bucureşti-Ploieşti-Buzău-Bacău-Suceava-Ucraina (Siret)
  • Bucuresti-Giurgiu
  • Sebeş-Turda-Tg Mureş-Tg Neamţ-Iaşi – Moldova (Ungheni)
  • Sibiu –Braşov-Bacău



Source: Operational Programme Strategic Infrastructure 2014-2020. V March 2014, p 38
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Old March 18th, 2014, 09:29 PM   #7467
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Genius!!!!

Romania, therefore, is the first country to give a higher priority to completing a road than to starting it off. Why did the rest of us never think of something like that eh??????

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LOL, wrong!

Here are the official priorities, in this order:

1. Completion of works on corridor Nădlac - Arad – Timişoara - Lugoj – Sebeş – Sibiu – Piteşti – Bucureşti (București by-pass) – Constanţa

2. Starting works for Sibiu – Pitesti ;
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Old March 18th, 2014, 11:38 PM   #7468
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Genius!!!!

Romania, therefore, is the first country to give a higher priority to completing a road than to starting it off. Why did the rest of us never think of something like that eh??????

Thanks for that LeClerk ...made my day.

Have you bothered reading the link I posted?!?!

Priority 1 is about completion of works already contracted and/or started on that particular corridor, that, yes, includes Pitesti-Sibiu section. They just want to complete what's left on that corridor. I don't find it that weird.

Priority 2 is about starting of works on Pitesti-Sibiu, which is again priority 2 for EU funds, but actualy priority 1 in terms of next major project from that source.
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Old March 19th, 2014, 12:08 AM   #7469
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PRISTINE GENIUS!!!!!

Priority one is to complete works that have already started on Pitesti - Sibiu and then Starting the works on Pitesti - Sibiu once the works are complete.

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Priority 1 is about completion of works already contracted and/or started on that particular corridor, that, yes, includes Pitesti-Sibiu section.

Priority 2 is about starting of works on Pitesti-Sibiu, which is again priority 2 for EU funds, but actualy priority 1 in terms of next major project from that source.

More genius please.
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Old March 19th, 2014, 12:12 AM   #7470
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OK. Seriously, this is the logic sequence. What did you expect?!
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Old March 19th, 2014, 11:18 PM   #7471
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The real news is that Romania put as the first priority from EU funds the construction of Sibiu-Pitesti by 2020. That despite speculations that it was ditched because Comarnic-Brasov concession.
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Old March 20th, 2014, 11:25 AM   #7472
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Let me give you a heads-up regarding the Hungarian motorway/expressway plans and schedule towards Romania:

M4 Berettyóújfalu - Nagykereki/Ro border

full profile 2x2 motorway, 32 km

Status: The preparation phase is completed, a final construction permit is available. Over 90% of the required land has been already purchased, archaeological works are in progress. Tender to be launched this year, construction scheduled to start: Spring 2015.

Scheduled completion deadline: 2017

Romanian connection: Works on the connecting A3 Motorway were temporarily suspended.

M44 Kecskemét - Gyula/Ro border

2x2 expressway, 141 km

Phase II. - Kecskemét - Tiszakürt (40 km)

Status: 2016-2019

Phase I. - Tiszakürt - Kondoros (62 km)

Status: Tender to be launched this month.

Possible construction start: Sept 2014

Scheduled completion: Summer of 2017

Phase III. - Kondoros - Békéscsaba (20 km)

Status: 2017-2020

Phase IV. - Békéscsaba - Gyula/Ro border (19 km)

Scheduled construction: 2017-2020

Romanian connection: No expressway connection is planned on the Romanian side. M44 will connect to the existing 79A main road.

M49 M3 (Vája) - Csenger/Ro border

2x2 expressway, 48 km

Phase I. - M3 Vaja - Kocsord (Main road 491.) (18 km)

Scheduled construction: 2016-2017

Phase II. - Kocsord - Csenger/Ro border (30 km)

Scheduled construction: 2020-2022

Status: The feasibility study for the entire M49 is available. Regarding the issue of the border intersection point no agreement was reached between the Hungarian and the Romanian side, not even the reconciliation process has started yet.

Romanian connection: M49 will connect to the Satu Mare (Satu Mare) western bypass road at a not yet fixed location. The previously planned Satu Mare - Baia Mare expressway is not included in the current Romanian development plans.

M43 Makó - Csanádpalota/Ro border

full profile 2x2 motorway, 23,125 km

Status: U/C

Scheduled completion: Spring 2015(!!!)

Maps to be included this evening...
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Old March 20th, 2014, 11:36 AM   #7473
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Let me give you a heads-up regarding the Hungarian motorway/expressway plans and schedule towards Romania:
Ah yes but there is a Corridor Co-Ordinator (that is an EU Corridor not an IV or VI or X) in place tasked with producing the Corridor Plan from Budapest to the Ro-Hu border actually east as far as Timisoara and I am sure that the Co Ordinator and the Hungarian government are getting one with the plan. Of course this corridor mainly exists in Hungary already but projects to tie back into the corridor are also for consideration and the Hungarians know this.

But there is no Co Ordinator ( and of course no corridor plan) from Timisoara > Black Sea. Other than what was agreed under the 2007-2013 plan ( a lot of 2014 projects are funded off the tail of that plan not the new plan) nothing east of Timisoara is fundable with EU cash once the 2014-2020 taps open next year.

Ironically Timisoara <> Calafat should be fundable to an extent but there are seemingly no plans to build anything.
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Timisoara-Calafat is in the plan for EU funding 2014-2020 - read above.

However, it is second in priority after Sibiu-Pitesti, together with a bunch of other routes. So yeah, it's not looking up.

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@Qtya: Romania will allocate a lot LESS Gov funding for motorway in the coming period than what was before. They are doing what the rest of the "sane" region is doing: putting more money into the military.

So it's good to see all those projects, enjoy them and your region, we have other things to bother about unfortunately.
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Old March 20th, 2014, 05:43 PM   #7475
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@Qtya: Romania will allocate a lot LESS Gov funding for motorway in the coming period than what was before. They are doing what the rest of the "sane" region is doing: putting more money into the military.

So it's good to see all those projects, enjoy them and your region, we have other things to bother about unfortunately.



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Tender for Debrecen-Berettyoujfalu is already in progress?
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Old March 20th, 2014, 06:04 PM   #7476
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Tender for Debrecen-Berettyoujfalu is already in progress?
Prep for tender, project supposed to be launched this year... Project schedule was 2014-2016 earlier, but IMO it's been shifted slighty, say to 2015-2017. Just a guess though...
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Yeah, sounds crazy but it's rather real.
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According to the Romanian PM, works on Sibiu-Pitesti motorway will start in 2015, at both ends of it, and it will be completed by 2020 from EU funds. It appears to be a commitment to the Dacia and Ford plants too.

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Old March 20th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #7479
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How could it possibly start in 2015, when they haven't even tenderd the fesability study yet? The one they said must be done thoroughly to avoid any geological mishaps like on Orastie-Sibiu and should take around 2 years? I know the goverment went a full 180 degress with this project, after they said it would take many years and cost billions of euros, but now they're challenging reality in the opposite way stating that works could start so fast. Is a realistic term so much to ask for?
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What if they are planning to tender only some sections of the motorway, as the FS sections come in?! I mean, they did mention works will start with the easy sections on both ends. Then, as the other FS sections of motorway get done, they can tender the rest of the motorway.
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