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Old April 8th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #7501
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That is Complete and utter Nonsense and you surely must know that. !

If even 300km are to be actively 'under construction' ( not abandoned pending retender or stuck in the courts) and at the same time in 2015 ( early or late 2015...no matter) could you perhaps find them for us somewhere and list them. ????

Starting on the first 10km of a motorway to Moldova and declaring an entire 400km motorway to Moldova under construction does not count.

I mean construction equipment onsite constructing in 2015, nothing less.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #7502
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You could debate that at endless stretches. I just posted the news. We'll see if possible probably next year.

I think it's good at least that they are planning to start works on that section.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 05:53 PM   #7503
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We'll see if possible probably next year.
It is not possible and Everyone knows that. It may be possible by 2018 but not by 2015.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 05:56 PM   #7504
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It'd be cool to have arguments too.

They'll start the FS in the coming period, which'll be ready by next year when they can do the tender for works, and with a bit of luck also start works in the second half of the same year.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 06:20 PM   #7505
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It'd be cool to have arguments too.
Of the 2+2=22 kind, no.

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They'll start the FS in the coming period, which'll be ready by next year when they can do the tender for works, and with a bit of luck also start works in the second half of the same year.
The only FS is for 100km of Fagarasan #2 or is there another 1000km of FS hidden somewhere???
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Old April 8th, 2014, 06:22 PM   #7506
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1,400 km of motorway under construction in a single year must be close to a European record.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 06:24 PM   #7507
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The only FS is for 100km of Fagarasan #2 or is there another 1000km of FS hidden somewhere???
They intend to start FS-s for all motorway sections to be U/C by 2020 (or later) this year.

Edit: these are FSs in the pipeline - all motorways:

SF Brasov - Bacau
SF (revizuire) Sibiu - Brasov
SF Focsani - Bacau
SF Bacau - Pascani
SF Pascani - Siret
SF Bucuresti - Giurgiu
SF Bucuresti - Alexandria
SF Alexandria - Craiova
SF Craiova - Calafat
SF Sibiu-Pitesti
SF Pascani-Iasi-Ungheni
SF Targu Mures - Targu Neamt - Pascani
SF Autostrada-Centura Bucuresti Nord

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Old April 8th, 2014, 06:50 PM   #7508
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Sebes-Turda motorway (A10), LOTS 3 and 4 have been resolved in court in favour of CNADNR. Contracts should be signed shortly:

LOT 3 - 12.5 km with Tirrena Scavi

LOT 4 - 16.3 with Porr Construct and Porr Bau

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What is a "feasibility study" in Romania? Is this a study to see of a motorway is economically and technically feasible, or is it more like an environmental impact assessment (EIA) with a detailed alignment and detailed designs, where people can appeal to in court?
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What is a "feasibility study" in Romania? Is this a study to see of a motorway is economically and technically feasible, or is it more like an environmental impact assessment (EIA) with a detailed alignment and detailed designs, where people can appeal to in court?
FS = economical, technical, geological, environmental, including alignment
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Old April 8th, 2014, 07:07 PM   #7511
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FS = economical, technical, geological, environmental, including alignment
In English that is called "Planning" not "Construction" . As there is an election coming up next month that is a much cheaper way to buy votes than actually doing anything.

Construction = Construction Equipment on site and working.
Abandoned = Construction Equipment not on site any more.

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In your link the Romanian word construcție is not actually used to refer to 2015 but the word execucție is. The English for construcție is construction. The only mention of construction is way out in the year 2020 and in sepia tinted hindsight from the look of it, but never mind 2020.

Thankfully 99% of Romanian speaking posters in this thread ALSO Know the difference between the words construction and execution and hopefully you will get it right for THEM the next time. Eh!!!!
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Old April 8th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #7512
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wow, good news

does your minister represent any banana republic ? in my opinion Romania deserves for something more.

or simply you wanted to reactivate the seasonally-dead thread ?
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Old April 8th, 2014, 10:23 PM   #7513
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In English that is called "Planning" not "Construction" . As there is an election coming up next month that is a much cheaper way to buy votes than actually doing anything.

Construction = Construction Equipment on site and working.
Abandoned = Construction Equipment not on site any more.

Even worse.



In your link the Romanian word construcție is not actually used to refer to 2015 but the word execucție is. The English for construcție is construction. The only mention of construction is way out in the year 2020 and in sepia tinted hindsight from the look of it, but never mind 2020.

Thankfully 99% of Romanian speaking posters in this thread ALSO Know the difference between the words construction and execution and hopefully you will get it right for THEM the next time. Eh!!!!
You tell me what "exeutie" means. You are funny.

Executie means "construction works". Go figure! Ask any Romanian builder. Please, stop making a fool of yourself by attempting to literally translate from Romanian into English. This is not even Romanian proper, it is about legal Romanian terms - aka Legalese.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 10:24 PM   #7514
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wow, good news

does your minister represent any banana republic ? in my opinion Romania deserves for something more.

or simply you wanted to reactivate the seasonally-dead thread ?
Yes, this is a banana thread. Go troll somewhere else.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #7515
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You're kind of asking for it when posting stuff like this. People will comment on it.

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Old April 8th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #7516
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You're kind of asking for it when posting stuff like this. People will comment on it.
I agree, the news invites commenting - that's the purpose of this thread. However, I have a slightly different view of the meaning of "comment".
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Old April 8th, 2014, 11:33 PM   #7517
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The EUR 0.07 fuel excise entered into force on April 1st. The tax will be used for the financing of the following motorways, which are not supported from EU funds, nor will they be concessioned:

Alexandria - Craiova - 140 km,
Craiova - Calafat - 85 km,
Târgu Mureş-Târgu Neamţ - 211 km,
Gilau-Suplacu de Barcău - 101 km,
Bucureşti - Giurgiu - 60 km,
Paşcani- Suceava Siret - 100 km

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Old April 8th, 2014, 11:36 PM   #7518
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The tax will be used for the financing of the following motorways,
That's partially incorrect. When they first announced this new tax few months ago, our beloved leaders said that the entire collected tax will be invested into new motorways. Now, when the tax was introduced, they said that the tax will be used for general expenses from the country budged, and maybe some small part of it will be used for motorways.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #7519
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What is incorrect? The article says exactly that - the money will be used for motorways only.

Edit: As I said before, I agree with the tax, provided it is used exclusively for the construction of motorways. EUR 450 m could be raised this year alone from this tax, which means about 90 km of new motorway.
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Din calculele hârtiei, din acciza suplimentară de 7 eurocenţi se vor colecta două miliarde de lei. Să vedem dacă va fi aşa, dacă va fi transmisă sau nu mai departe în preţ. Ea se va duce în şcoli, spitale, investiţii. Şi în autostrăzi, dar nu numai.

From our calculations, we will collect 2 billion lei from the 7 cents fuel excise. [...] Money will go in schools, hospitals, investments. Also in motorways, but not only.
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Din introducerea accizei suplimentare de 7 eurocenţi pe fiecare litru de carburant se vor colecta până la finele anului două miliarde de lei, iar neîncasarea acestei sume ar putea crea probleme la plata cheltuielilor curente, a declarat Ioana Petrescu, ministrul Finanţelor.

Plata pensiilor şi a salariilor pentru bugetari ar putea fi pusă în pericol dacă acciza suplimentară de 7 eurocenţi nu va fi aplicată de la 1 aprilie

Intrebată ce se poate întâmpla dacă nu se introduce această nouă taxă şi dacă există riscul ca banii să nu mai ajungă pentru pensii şi salarii, oficialul a răspuns afirmativ: „Da. Sunt 2 miliarde, gândiţi-vă. Ar fi fost 2,670 miliarde, acum sunt 2 miliarde. Evident că exista un pericol foarte mare pentru că o mare parte din cheltuielile pe care le avem la buget sunt cheltuieli – nu ştiu dacă le-aş numi fixe, dar de genul de care descrieţi dumneavoastră: pensii, salarii. (wages, retirement fund)
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So there you have it. Money will go into schools, hospitals, other investments, public sector employees, retirement funds, and, a small part of the money to motorways.
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