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Old November 17th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #7741
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The exit lanes of the future rest areas look ridiculous. Even the signposting is completed. At least, they should paste over the signs.

What do drivers do if they have to take a leak? I guess they stop on the emergency lane, don't they?
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Old November 17th, 2014, 03:32 PM   #7742
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You have been to Romania, right?
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Old November 17th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #7743
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Yes, and I read a German news article one week ago. It's about three fatal accidents happened on German emergency lanes (near A3 rest area Würzburg, A3 rest area Steigerwald (b/n Würzburg and Bamberg) and on A70 near Bamberg).

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In der Region war es der dritte Unfall innerhalb weniger Wochen, der auf einem Standstreifen passierte. [...] Auffällig bei den Unfällen ist, dass jeweils Fahrer aus dem Osten Europas beteiligt waren. Gelten dort womöglich andere Verkehrsregeln? „Das kann man so auf keinen Fall sagen. Gerade in Polen wird für den Autobahn-Ausbau viel getan“, sagt Katharina Luca, Pressesprecherin vom ADAC. Dass der Standstreifen in Osteuropa womöglich anders genutzt werde, sei reine Spekulation.

It's the 3rd accident in the region within a few weeks, which happened on shoulders. [...] It's striking, that always drivers from Eastern Europe were involved. Are there other traffic rules? "Not at all. Especially Poland has improved its motorway network", said Katharina Luca, Press Officer of ADAC. It's wild guess that emergency lanes could be used in a different way in Eastern Europe.
I've seen a lot of cars on hard shoulders in Romania (but not in Hungary where are really a lot of rest areas). I guess most of them b/c of a breakdown but I also wondered how they handle taking a leak... (I was patient and waited until I left the motorway )
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Old November 17th, 2014, 06:02 PM   #7744
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btw, I saw in Germany ones, during STAU, a driver (with German plates and German looking) drove from 2nd lane directly on the shoulder, got very quickly out, opened his zipper and let go. Not even trying to find a bush, tree pr hide behind the car

Coming back to Romania, if you have driven the A1 Pitesti-Bucharest, you might have seen diverse activities on shoulders. At least some time ago, maybe that behavior has changed by now, our local colleagues could say more to that...
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Old November 17th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #7745
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@MichiH,
Your observation is correct: Romanian drivers are frequently using the emergency lanes for a lot of reasons outside emergencies (speaking to mobile phone, for instance).

Short history:
- the first Romanian highway (A1 Bucharest - Pitesti) was built in 1972 without emergency lanes and without hard shoulders, but there was a space left for them (without asphalt)
Since then most of the drivers used that space for any purpose, like taking a leak or else.
Before 1989 the maximum legal speed in Romania was 80km/h and we drove those lazy Dacia cars -> there was no big danger in stopping on emergency lanes.

This highway was upgraded in 2000 (if I remember well) with emergency lanes and hard shoulders. Nobody paid attention to this fact: drivers used those lanes as before.

Since 2004 new highways have been built in Romania and (old behaviors die hard!) the driving style remained the same and has been 'copied' in other regions of the country.

I don't remember if our legislation has been updated on that matter (probably yes), but the policemen do not take any action against such practices and they go on.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 08:29 PM   #7746
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Contracts for lot 1 (km 0-17) and lot 2 (km 17-41) have been signed on 14 November.

http://www.ziarulunirea.ro/autostrad...-2-295647.html

I thought lot 1 was already under construction since January?
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Old November 17th, 2014, 08:38 PM   #7747
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Durata contractului pentru ambele loturi este de 70 de luni, din care proiectarea şi executia – 22 de luni, iar perioada de garanţie, de 48 de luni.

The contract for both lots is 70 months, from the design and execution - 22 months, and the warranty period of 48 months.
I guess the works should(!) begin in March/April 2015 (4+18) but the contracts were signed two days prior to the run-off election.............
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Old November 17th, 2014, 08:42 PM   #7748
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I thought lot 1 was already under construction since January?
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Old November 17th, 2014, 10:43 PM   #7749
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Contracts for lot 1 (km 0-17) and lot 2 (km 17-41) have been signed on 14 November.

http://www.ziarulunirea.ro/autostrad...-2-295647.html

I thought lot 1 was already under construction since January?
Nope, that was just the first winner anouncement. Meanwhile, the results were contested and it took months to settle things in court until the lot was finally awarded to Pizzarotti.

It's a good thing, too, after the disaster on Orastie-SIbiu lot 3 (the one just opened now), nobody really wants to see this company having another shot at trying to screw us over. Unfortunately, they have won Lugoj-Deva lot 2, which is even more difficult than the last one, and they have done close to NOTHING during the entire year, just some ground clearing and one or two culverts...
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Old November 18th, 2014, 12:04 AM   #7750
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@MichiH,
Your observation is correct: Romanian drivers are frequently using the emergency lanes for a lot of reasons outside emergencies (speaking to mobile phone, for instance).

Short history:
- the first Romanian highway (A1 Bucharest - Pitesti) was built in 1972 without emergency lanes and without hard shoulders, but there was a space left for them (without asphalt)
Since then most of the drivers used that space for any purpose, like taking a leak or else.
Before 1989 the maximum legal speed in Romania was 80km/h and we drove those lazy Dacia cars -> there was no big danger in stopping on emergency lanes.

This highway was upgraded in 2000 (if I remember well) with emergency lanes and hard shoulders. Nobody paid attention to this fact: drivers used those lanes as before.

Since 2004 new highways have been built in Romania and (old behaviors die hard!) the driving style remained the same and has been 'copied' in other regions of the country.

I don't remember if our legislation has been updated on that matter (probably yes), but the policemen do not take any action against such practices and they go on.
Believe me, you guys are not the only one with that problem.In Serbia many people drive in fast lane on motorways just because they want to show off
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Old November 18th, 2014, 09:58 AM   #7751
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Serbian problems are limited to plain bad driving. We do not take a piss on the hard shoulders, like Romanians do! On the other hand, we have modern highways with hard shoulders since the 70's.

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Old November 18th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #7752
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CNADNR launched a tender for a € 26 million project to do 'something' at A3. As I understand, this is the existing motorway from Câmpia Turzii to Cluj-Napoca. What are the changes? € 26 million buys several kilometers of new motorway.

http://www.cnadnr.ro/proiect_pcd.php?id=798

http://business-review.eu/featured/r...-highway-73434
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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:08 PM   #7753
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Slick ! We have a 'slight' change of plans now. An 'emulation' would be good in motorways field. This has been put aside for a while, and needs to be brought back into the forefront of politics here.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:16 PM   #7754
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That tender might be for the missing Somes bridge just west of Gilau exit. That bridge was part of Bechtel contract and is not part of UMB contract that builds the motorway further west. It's the missing link between the existing motorway and the section currently u/c.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:22 PM   #7755
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Serbian problems are limited to plain bad driving. We do not take a piss on the hard shoulders, like Romanians do! On the other hand, we have modern highways with hard shoulders since the 70's.

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There's a rule in Romania to take a piss on hardshoulders every 50 km. Otherwise you get a ticket. It's good to know for foreigners.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 01:20 AM   #7756
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Old November 20th, 2014, 01:16 AM   #7758
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LOL Is there an election coming up ?????

They won't even start Sibiu - Pitesti by 2018, it will be time for another report in 2016 and a review in 2017 followed by feasibility studies in 2018 again.

What happened to publishing proper expressway standards, seeing as a large portion of the roadbuilding out to 2020 is supposed to be expressway not motorway??? No published standards yet, sure you can plan a road off that.

I mean you also need those standards first before you do your review and then that feasibility study and then a report don't you?????

And wasn't there an infrastructure minister as well as a transport minister in there somewhere...and what have they said about all this. ???

And when is the 10th anniversary of Bechtel celebration starting anyway. ???
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Old November 20th, 2014, 09:49 PM   #7759
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CNADNR launched a tender for a € 26 million project to do 'something' at A3. As I understand, this is the existing motorway from Câmpia Turzii to Cluj-Napoca. What are the changes? € 26 million buys several kilometers of new motorway.

http://www.cnadnr.ro/proiect_pcd.php?id=798

http://business-review.eu/featured/r...-highway-73434
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That tender might be for the missing Somes bridge just west of Gilau exit. That bridge was part of Bechtel contract and is not part of UMB contract that builds the motorway further west. It's the missing link between the existing motorway and the section currently u/c.
The existing motorway will be repaired and completed.

If I got it right, rest areas/service areas will be built too .

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Old November 23rd, 2014, 08:39 PM   #7760
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LOL Is there an election coming up ?????

They won't even start Sibiu - Pitesti by 2018, it will be time for another report in 2016 and a review in 2017 followed by feasibility studies in 2018 again.

What happened to publishing proper expressway standards, seeing as a large portion of the roadbuilding out to 2020 is supposed to be expressway not motorway??? No published standards yet, sure you can plan a road off that.

I mean you also need those standards first before you do your review and then that feasibility study and then a report don't you?????

And wasn't there an infrastructure minister as well as a transport minister in there somewhere...and what have they said about all this. ???

And when is the 10th anniversary of Bechtel celebration starting anyway. ???

Socialists in Romania are both nationalists, ultranationalist, ultraorthodox, nazis, communist, patriotic, the only ones delivering everything (pensions, motorways, good salaries etc), and all this in hope of winning the elections - in vain recently. As about performing any of that, they can't do shit. That's also the case about these motorway projects.

There's hope however for a new Gov after the recent presidential elections, which should include Boagiu or her close associates. Cheer up !
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