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Old February 11th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #7881
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The map has 5 connections to Bulgaria, 3 to Hungary, 3 to Ukraine, 2 to Moldova and 2 to Serbia.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 10:59 PM   #7882
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Towards Serbia it is clear that there will be something done between Timisoara (roumanian A1) and Belgrade. Not sure if on their side will be through Vrsac or through Zrenjanin. Funding? Well, our part shouldn't be expensive (short and flat terrain), their part is longer and as far as I know they are looking for chinese funding.

The other one is Black Sea motorway, a conection between Constanta - Varna and Istanbul. Not really a priority right now.

And the third one should be done somewhere between Bucharest and Sofia. The curent bridge between Giurgiu and Ruse is in really bad shape, only 1*1 and very narrow, so a motorway towards that is useless. There are talks for a new bridge, probably somwhere between Turnu Magurele and Nikopol, so only after this is build should be talks about conecting motorways.
A masterplan contains all intended projects of a defined period. The masterplan 2030 "should" (!) contain all projects which are inteded to be built or to be planned during the coming 15 years. That means, the planning of your projects would beging after 2030. If not, it's not a masterplan....
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Old February 11th, 2015, 10:59 PM   #7883
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The map has 5 connections to Bulgaria, 3 to Hungary, 3 to Ukraine, 2 to Moldova and 2 to Serbia.
Yes, but I have mentioned only those crossing points that are more likely to be on newly builded motorways or expressways. The other ones exist already, so what's the point to mentioned them again?
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Old February 11th, 2015, 11:06 PM   #7884
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The map has 5 connections to Bulgaria, 3 to Hungary, 3 to Ukraine, 2 to Moldova and 2 to Serbia.
That's what I said.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 11:12 PM   #7885
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Old February 12th, 2015, 10:02 AM   #7886
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The map has 5 connections to Bulgaria, 3 to Hungary, 3 to Ukraine, 2 to Moldova and 2 to Serbia.
There ! Still, an expressway connection to Calafat is due. However, there's plenty of time to change that. Such as Sibiu-Pitesti was upgraded to motorway from expressway. Still, these southern projects are so distant that it is too early to even debate about them. The next 7-year priorities are clearly Sebes-Turda motorway, Sibiu-Pitesti motorway, Transilvania motorway, Bucharest ring motorway, Oltenia motorway and Montana motorway. In this order. Obviously, these would need at least 15 years to build, and a lot more money than EU can offer, so these alone I would bet will not be over by 2030.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 01:03 PM   #7887
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It would be pointless to build any more low quality 100kph 2+2 Expressway in Romania. An improvement to the standard is absolutely essential first and with full grade separation and 110kph running as a minimal deliverable.

Until then no Expressways should be built at all.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 06:58 PM   #7888
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There are no official standards for expressways in Romania FAIK. Yet.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 11:27 PM   #7889
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There are no official standards for expressways in Romania FAIK. Yet.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 02:31 AM   #7890
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Wrong.
As usual.


@sponge_bob: Sorry, it's in Romanian.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 03:17 AM   #7891
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Thanks Nenae, that is indeed an expressway standard.

Article 10 has the carriageway widths.

19m total 8+3+8 . Thats a 100kph max road really mainly as there no hard shoulder for stopping, only a 0.5m strip.

If you tweaked that to a 2m median with jersey barrier in the middle, 3.5m lanes instead of 3.75m lanes, and a hard shoulder of 2.5m on each side you can have a safe 120kph road with a total cross section of 22m rather than 19m. Most of the Irish MOTORWAY network has 21.6m carriageways, see here . I would warn that these 21.6m wide motorways should not be longer than 150km or so as the barrier alongside the fast lane gets a bit tiresome (tiring) after that. But it would be a good expressway standard for Romania which is a much bigger country than Ireland.

The Geometries in Article 18 need revisiting as well. I know.

Grade separated junctions are also a must.

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Old February 13th, 2015, 07:21 AM   #7892
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@sponge_bob: Sorry, it's in Romanian.
Oh, what a crime !

So they issued technical norms last year in Sept and I didn't know.

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120 km /h in flat area
110 km /h in the hills, and
100 km/h in the mountains
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120kph on a 19m cross section and with no hard shoulder , thats crazy. Even if they limited the inside lane to 100kph and allowed 120kph in the fast lane _only_ it is still unsafe.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 02:08 PM   #7894
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120 km /h in flat area
110 km /h in the hills, and
100 km/h in the mountains
Actually:
120 km /h in flat area
100 km /h in the hills, and
80 km/h in the mountains
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Old February 13th, 2015, 03:33 PM   #7895
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Oh, what a crime !

So they issued technical norms last year in Sept and I didn't know.

Sponge bob:

120 km /h in flat area
110 km /h in the hills, and
100 km/h in the mountains
wrong. as usual

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... but seriously.

this is a true crime to design high-speed carriageways withoutl hard, 2m wide shoulder.

I am trying to figure it out, but just do not get it
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It is a secret meant to be 100kph standard that the politicians can sell as 'new motorway' when there is an election on.
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Old February 15th, 2015, 01:06 PM   #7898
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... but seriously.

this is a true crime to design high-speed carriageways withoutl hard, 2m wide shoulder.

I am trying to figure it out, but just do not get it
We have roads like this one for many years. I agree, that example is not the safest, but now they have started to add New Jersey barriers. Ok, so now I imagine that road with a 3m wide guardrail-protected median and 2x1,5 soft shoulder. I honestly fail to see the problem.

Bellow is a typical cross-section of an (imaginary ) Romanian expressway. So we have (1,5m soft shoulder+0,5m hard shoulder+2x3,5 lanes+0,5 hard strip) on every direction+3m central reserve. Is this that bad?

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Old February 15th, 2015, 09:10 PM   #7899
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before I get to my point I will do a short background:

everyday there is a new bunch of "car crash compilation" short movies published on youtube. the movies come from Russia and are recorded by camcorders installed on car dashboards.

just to summerize these movies: in general there are two types accidents:

a) overtaking at road crossing (a car overtakes another one, which is about to turn left)

b) accidents on 2x2 roads (no jersey barriers installed)


now my point:

I could be not objecitve but 2x2 roads even with jersey barriers are horrible. cars on the left lanes do not have any escape room in case of trouble. you crash onto the barrier or onto a car driving right lane

trust me I watch these youtube movies almost everyday and ... everyday I get 10 or so new proofs that 2x2 roads are horrible.

well, we may say that Romanians do not have Russian driving habits and the jersey barriers will do the rest, but constructing that kind of roads as primary corridors in so hungry-motorway country in 21st century simply does not sound right.

just wondering whether in EU that kind of roads are still under consideration ...
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Old February 15th, 2015, 09:17 PM   #7900
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while the barrier itself is a potential hazard, expressway solution may be a worthwile improvement in certain cases, consider the utter lack of beltways in Ro and certain bottlenecks. the aim of separating traffic directions can be achieved with a variety of designs. the width of platform of course also a related issue.
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