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Old February 15th, 2015, 10:09 PM   #7901
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I could be not objecitve but 2x2 roads even with jersey barriers are horrible. cars on the left lanes do not have any escape room in case of trouble. you crash onto the barrier or onto a car driving right lane

trust me I watch these youtube movies almost everyday and ... everyday I get 10 or so new proofs that 2x2 roads are horrible.
80% of our main roads are still 1+1 and the speed limit is 110 km/h. So a 2x2 road with a cross section like the one that I've posted on the previous page is a huge improvement.

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constructing that kind of roads as primary corridors in so hungry-motorway country in 21st century simply does not sound right.
Well, full-profile motorways will be (hopefully) built where the traffic numbers will require. Although I prefer a motorway over an expressway, I have to admit that we probably don't have enough funds. Narrowing carriageways and removing hard shoulders could save some money for us. Yes, I'd like to see an expressway with hard shoulders, but in that case why not build directly a motorway? It will probably cost us the same price, because - according to Romanian legislation - bridges, culverts and overpasses on an expressway should be anyway built from the beginning using motorway standards.

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just wondering whether in EU that kind of roads are still under consideration ...
Our neighbours are still doing it .
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Old February 15th, 2015, 10:13 PM   #7902
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80% of our main roads are still 1+1 and the speed limit is 110 km/h.
Just to be accurate, the Romanian law says that the allowed speed limit on Romanian main roads (European roads) and on Expressways (although we don't have any) is 100 km/h. This is you can't be fined until 110 km/h, so you can say that the actual speed limit is 110 km/h (same goes for other road category types, +10 km/h).
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Old February 15th, 2015, 10:17 PM   #7903
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^ Oh!

Now Le Clerk has the right to give me a fine . Thanks for correction!

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Grade separated junctions are also a must.
All junctions will be grade separated, according to Chapter VIII, Section 1, Article 27.
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Old February 15th, 2015, 10:23 PM   #7904
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It wasn't a correction, as you were right. I just wanted to explain that for our foreign visitors who thought that max. speed on main roads is 100 km/h.
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Old February 16th, 2015, 01:15 AM   #7905
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Well my concern is as follows:

1. Romania is a big country.
2. The expressway standard at present is a 100kph standard but some expressways that are _allegedly :: _ planned are well over 200km in length.
3. It simply is not safe to speed designate a road at 120kph with no hard shoulder. The emergency stopping distance, alone, at 120kph is c.50% higher than at 100kph
4. Romania knows perfectly well how to design a proper motorway for safe 130/140kph running so none of this sh1t is rocket science either.


I did point out that it is possible to have a safe expressway standard with a cross section of 22m across where I do not see how it can be done safely with a 19m cross section.

So I suggest strongly that Romania looks at the Polish model where most roads are 120kph expressways that are of a very high design standard and with fewer Motorways which are of a higher standard but much wider and a 130 or 140kph limit.

I do accept that mountain sections with tunnels and viaducts will be built with no hard shoulders in many cases ( in tunnels and on viaducts) and will probably be limited to 100kph.

But flat and hilly sections can be built to a 120kph standard and with hard shoulders from the off. It would be VERY expensive to retrofit a 19m road to a 22m road and will involve extensive congestion as a lot of the road must be closed and the remainder open as a 1+1.

The cost of doing it properly first time around is not that expensive compared to the proposed standard. The cost of getting it wrong will be high in economic and human terms.
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Old February 16th, 2015, 12:47 PM   #7906
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I did point out that it is possible to have a safe expressway standard with a cross section of 22m across where I do not see how it can be done safely with a 19m cross section...
me either. you need to lower the speed limit noticeably.

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...So I suggest strongly that Romania looks at the Polish model where most roads are 120kph expressways that are of a very high design standard and with fewer Motorways which are of a higher standard but much wider and a 130 or 140kph limit.
seriuosly, I cannot notice a difference between expressways and motorways in poland, but in fact I do not exceed 140 kph


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I do accept that mountain sections with tunnels and viaducts will be built with no hard shoulders in many cases ( in tunnels and on viaducts) and will probably be limited to 100kph.

But flat and hilly sections can be built to a 120kph standard and with hard shoulders from the off. It would be VERY expensive to retrofit a 19m road to a 22m road and will involve extensive congestion as a lot of the road must be closed and the remainder open as a 1+1.

The cost of doing it properly first time around is not that expensive compared to the proposed standard. The cost of getting it wrong will be high in economic and human terms.
completely agree, although I do not have any potential costs of that :-)
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Our neighbours are still doing it .
OK. I understand, actually I asked a question in a wrong way.

I meant "which of EU country builds that kind of 2x2 roads as a main/primary corridors"
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Well, full-profile motorways will be (hopefully) built where the traffic numbers will require.
Narrowing carriageways and removing hard shoulders could save some money for us.
You could also build 2+1 with wider lanes and median.

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I meant "which of EU country builds that kind of 2x2 roads as a main/primary corridors"
Opened in December 2006: http://old.wikimapia.org/#lat=50.508...8&z=20&l=5&m=s (AADT 15,000).
U/C: http://old.wikimapia.org/#lat=48.432...7&z=14&l=5&m=o (RQ20 = 20m 2x2 including soft shoulders; AADT 18,500).
The 10km extension (partial u/c) will also feature 2x2: http://old.wikimapia.org/#lat=47.736...3&z=20&l=5&m=s (AADT 21,000-28,000).
A little bit better, next section is u/c: http://old.wikimapia.org/#lat=49.214...6&z=19&l=5&m=s (AADT 16,000).
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The cost of doing it properly first time around is not that expensive compared to the proposed standard. The cost of getting it wrong will be high in economic and human terms.
Agree.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 11:02 AM   #7909
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Well, there are just 5 neighboring countries. With Hungary one crossing point is under construction, should be finish in summer (Nadlac, roumanian A1 - hungarian M43) and another is set and will probably be done until 2018 or 2020 (Bors, between roumanian A3 and hungarian M4).
The construction of the M4 Berettyóújfalu - Romanian border motorway section will be launched this year, with the scheduled completion sometime in 2017.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 12:51 PM   #7910
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The construction of the M4 Berettyóújfalu - Romanian border motorway section will be launched this year, with the scheduled completion sometime in 2017.
This si good news. What about m35 Debrecen - Berettyóújfalu ?
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Old February 18th, 2015, 02:41 PM   #7911
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This si good news. What about m35 Debrecen - Berettyóújfalu ?
Scheduled exactly a year later.
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Scheduled exactly a year later.
10x for info, so til 2017 if we finish suplacu de barcau - bors , we will have a full motorway between Suplacu de barcau and Berettyóújfalu, and maybe lot of people will use this instead of dn1 Cluj-Oradea

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Old February 18th, 2015, 06:46 PM   #7913
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Old February 19th, 2015, 10:37 AM   #7914
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Old February 25th, 2015, 12:23 PM   #7915
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A3, Ungheni - Ogra, km 4+500 - km 14+605 , was signed yesterday with JV SC STRABAG SRL – SC STRACO GRUP SRL, for EUR 55 m.

85% is EU funding, 15% is national budget.

12 months for works ... ?!

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Old February 25th, 2015, 02:20 PM   #7916
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Following completion of the tender procedure on the award of contracts associated Highway Turzii - Ogra - Targu Mures,
National Company of Motorways and National Roads in Romania SA announces first winners of the 2015 investment projects that have the source of funding European funds, as follows:

1. Design and execution to achieve highway Brasov - Targu Mures - Cluj - Oradea, Section 2A: Ogra - Turzii, Lot 1:
- Winner appointed: Pair SC GEIGER TRANSILVANIA SRL - WILHELM GEIGER GmbH & Co.KG;
- Value: 55,782,941.89 lei without VAT;
- Route length: 3.6 km; execution period: 16 months (4 months and 12 months execution design);
- Warranty: 4 years.

2. Design and execution to achieve highway Brasov - Targu Mures - Cluj - Oradea, Section 2A: Ogra - Turzii, Lot 2:
- Winner appointed: JV SC STRABAG SRL - SC STRACO SRL;
- Value: 397,718,661.15 lei without VAT;
- Route length: 17.9 km;
- Execution duration: 16 months (4 months and 12 months execution design);
- Warranty: 4 years.

3. Design and execution to achieve highway Brasov - Targu Mures - Cluj - Oradea, Section 2A: Ogra - Turzii, Lot 3:
- Winner appointed: Association STRACO SRL SC - SC SPECIALIST CONSULTING SRL - SC TOTAL ROAD SRL;
- Value: 279,744,271.56 lei without VAT;
- Route length: 15.7 km;
- Execution duration: 16 months (4 months and 12 months execution design);
- Warranty: 4 years.

4. Execution for realization of Brasov motorway - Bangalore - Cluj - Oradea, Lot 1: Targu Mures - Ungheni + link road:
- Winner appointed: Pair LEMACONS - VEGA 93 - ARCADE COMPANY;
- Value: 179,787,916.93 lei without VAT;
- Route length: 9.2 km (of which 4.7 connecting road);
- Execution duration: 12 months;
- Warranty: 4 years.

5. Design for achieving highway Brasov - Targu Mures - Cluj - Oradea, Lot 2: Ungheni - Ogra:
- Winner appointed: Pair JV SC STRABAG SRL - SC STRACO SRL,
- Value: 251,349,460.28 lei without VAT;
- Route length: 10.105 km;
- Execution duration: 12 months;
- Warranty: 4 years.

http://www.mt.ro/web14/spatiul-media...presa-27012015
In fact there is signed contracts for 1, 4 and 5. For 3 it is expected to be signed any day, but for number 2 will have to wait for one contestation to be judged.
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This article is in roumanian, but it has lot of photos (66) of the A1 section between Timisoara and Lugoj.

In the article opening is estimated for late this year but I still hope that this will be done till august. They say that current status of works done is 65%.







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Romania to complete 80-90 km of motrway this year
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Not really possible. There are hopes for this ones:

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A1: Pecica – Arad-West 10.5km (October 2011 to June 2015) – projectmap
A1: HU/RO border – Nadlac 1km (October 2011 to Mid 2015) – ? – map
A1: Timisoara-East – Balint (A6) 35.6km (2011 to Late 2015) – ? – map
A3: Nadaselu – Gilau 8.7km (July 2014 to Late 2015) – ? – map
Also Neaga, head of CNADNR, said in that article that he has hopes for first 17 km of

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A1: Dumbrava – Cosevita 28.6km (2013 to May 2016) – projectmap
But that add-up to 72,8 km. Up untill 80-90 km I really don't see what it can be. Maybe:

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A10: Turda (A3) – Decea 16.3km (July 2014 to April 2016) – ? – map
A10: Decea – Aiud 12.5km (July 2014 to April 2016) – ? – map
but that seems to be more like wishfull thinking.

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In other news, data about the recent contracts for A3:
A3: Targu Mures - Ungheni 4.5km + conection road ( ? 2015 to ? 2016) - project - map
A3: Ungheni - Ogra 10.1km ( ? 2015 to ? 2016) - project - map
A3: Ogra - Iernut 3.6km ( ? 2015 to ? 2016) - project - map
A3: Iernut - Chetani 17.9km ( ? to ? ) - project ? - map
A3: Chetani - Campia Turzii 15.7km ( ? 2015 to ? 2016) - project - map
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