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Old July 9th, 2015, 03:36 PM   #8181
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Or if Romania or Bulgaria had balls when talking to Bruxelles.
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Old July 9th, 2015, 03:50 PM   #8182
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Romania and Bulgaria should at least make a mini Schengen agreement between them only
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Old July 9th, 2015, 07:07 PM   #8183
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Vignette

Who will sell the Romanian vignette upon entering on this new Szeged - Arad motorway section?

Anyway, is this taken seriously? Do you people purchase those vignettes in Romania?
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Old July 9th, 2015, 07:25 PM   #8184
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I am sure the family members of the existing sellers at Cenad and Nadlac will have the gig.

The only place you are likely to be controlled for the RO vignette is at the bridge to Bulgaria at Ruse.

I have driven across the entire country having forgotten to buy the vignette and have left the country via Arad with zero consequences.
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Old July 9th, 2015, 07:27 PM   #8185
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Today ciprebbe @ pum uploaded a video regarding the new motorway opening between Arad and the Hungarian border, including the new border crossing. 2 interesting screen shots:

The new border crossing, seen from above:



Arad bypass interchange:



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Old July 9th, 2015, 07:32 PM   #8186
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The border crossing was not originally planned, right? Google Earth March 2014 imagery shows no right-of-way being acquired / under construction for such a large border plaza.
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Old July 9th, 2015, 07:38 PM   #8187
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It was hoped that Romania would have joined Schengen in time. But sadly it didn't.
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Old July 9th, 2015, 08:17 PM   #8188
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Who will sell the Romanian vignette upon entering on this new Szeged - Arad motorway section?

Anyway, is this taken seriously? Do you people purchase those vignettes in Romania?
You don't really expect us to encourage you to not purchase one for transiting our country, do you?

Also, times have changes recently, CNADNR has invested in roadside cameras that scan your car and checks that is has a valid vignete. If you happen to meet one, failure to purchase one by the end of the day (the system does unofficially allow for this) results in a ticket being sent home. And these cameras are being instaled in more and more places. Their locations are, AFAIK, undisclosed. So not a very good idea!


LE: still, to answer your question, at the moment, there are still plenty of users that do not have a valid vignete. But their number has been steadilly dropping since these cameras have been instaled. I don't have any official stats to show ATM

As for buying one, this will be a problem since CNADNR still hasn't started the tender for roadside gas stations for the latest built motorways. They have managed to organise one for temporary mobile stations (like THIS one), but these won't have vignete purchasing capabilities. In conclusion, for a while, there will be no other possibility for buying a vignete other than using the old border facility. Until then, you can use THIS site
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Old July 9th, 2015, 08:33 PM   #8189
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The border crossing was not originally planned, right? Google Earth March 2014 imagery shows no right-of-way being acquired / under construction for such a large border plaza.
I remember the preliminary designs for this motorway and on them it was clearly stated that there was space to be reserved in the rest areas for border control facilities. You can actually see the large unused space inside those spaces in the photo above (normally these don't exist, all rest areas are as tight as can be).

Somehow, sometime, they decided to screw it and just build the thing separately. Probably after realising that Schengen was a faraway perspective. Also, I think they decided to move all truck traffic through this border crossing (the old one will be only for cars soon), so a big upscaling was necesary. No designs for this new space have made it into the public space, AFAIK, so this is the first time we all get to see the layout of it.
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Old July 9th, 2015, 08:37 PM   #8190
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In this March 2014 imagery you can see that earthworks are pretty advanced, but no indication of a large border crossing. Only two small rest areas seems to have been planned at that time (maybe for vignette sales?) on both sides of the border.

On the other hand, the exit to DN7G to Nădlac was also not visible, while opened to traffic only 9 months later.

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Old July 9th, 2015, 09:01 PM   #8191
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i am also very surprised by the size of that border crossing and expected something more like our Goričan/Letenye very simple thing that can easily be removed and noone will almost notice that there was border crossing.
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Old July 9th, 2015, 09:11 PM   #8192
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You don't really expect us to encourage you to not purchase one for transiting our country, do you?

Also, times have changes recently, CNADNR has invested in roadside cameras that scan your car and checks that is has a valid vignete. If you happen to meet one, failure to purchase one by the end of the day (the system does unofficially allow for this) results in a ticket being sent home. And these cameras are being instaled in more and more places. Their locations are, AFAIK, undisclosed. So not a very good idea!


LE: still, to answer your question, at the moment, there are still plenty of users that do not have a valid vignete. But their number has been steadilly dropping since these cameras have been instaled. I don't have any official stats to show ATM

As for buying one, this will be a problem since CNADNR still hasn't started the tender for roadside gas stations for the latest built motorways. They have managed to organise one for temporary mobile stations (like THIS one), but these won't have vignete purchasing capabilities. In conclusion, for a while, there will be no other possibility for buying a vignete other than using the old border facility. Until then, you can use THIS site
How can CNADNR look up the plates of non RO vehicles? A complex system of cameras and controls are effective against RO vehicle owners but would mean very little to the foreign vehicles passing thru.

Do CNADNR have something to do with toll collections for the Giurgiu-Ruse bridge? It is the only manned RO vignette control point I have come across. There must be others?
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Thanks for all the replies to my vignette question!
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Old July 9th, 2015, 09:32 PM   #8194
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How can CNADNR look up the plates of non RO vehicles? A complex system of cameras and controls are effective against RO vehicle owners but would mean very little to the foreign vehicles passing thru.
You do realise that being an EU country implies that other EU countries (EEA also?) have acces to vehicle database information in order to sens tickets from one country to another? It's the same way you can get a ticket from Switzerland or Sweden if you cross the speed limit there or any other sanctioned issue caught by camera. Even of the computer system can't decifre a foreign plate, you can be sure there's a human operator there ready to sort things out

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Do CNADNR have something to do with toll collections for the Giurgiu-Ruse bridge? It is the only manned RO vignette control point I have come across. There must be others?
Yes, bridge tolls at Giurgiu-Ruse, Giurgeni-Vadu Oii and Fetesti-Cernavoda are collected by CNADNR. The last one also has a modern electronic toll recently instaled, so that cars can just pass right through if they have paid the toll at a gas station or by SMS (alsom they are allowed to pay after passing in the first 2 days). If I remeber well, a similar system is due to be instaled at Giurgiu in the future. The vignete control point (?) is manned probably because it also doubles as a border crossing?
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I suppose the system that CNADNR (and NIF in Hungary) use can read whether users have paid the tolls or not, regardless of country of origin. So they can be fined if pulled over. But yes, sending fines to other countries (and get them actually paid) is a whole other story.
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Old July 9th, 2015, 11:15 PM   #8196
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Romania and Bulgaria should at least make a mini Schengen agreement between them only
I am not sure that would be in line with Schengen requirements proper, go figure - they would probably be a breach of Schengen rules !! But since these requirements have been set aside by the EU members to delay accession for Romania and Bulgaria, then why not ?!


PS: it is off-topic to discuss Schengen here. We will get in with the air borders and probably maritime borders and that's it .
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Old July 10th, 2015, 01:12 AM   #8197
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When I drove last weekend on the A1 between Nadlac exit and Pecica, I noticed (Rovignetta) camera's above the highway.
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Those cameras are everywhere in Romania.
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EC provides Romania over EUR 9.40 bn for large infrastructure projects




Romanian authorities and European Commission (EC) officials have concluded negotiations on the Large Infrastructure Operational Programme – transport components, environment and energy, so that the document will be officially sent to Brussels on Monday, according to Marius Nica, Minister of European Funds, hotnews.ro informs.

“This means that starting July, Romania will have EUR 9.41 billion available for transport infrastructure, environment and energy,” Nica said.

He stated that through the Large Infrastructure Operational Programme, European officials provide approximately EUR 3 billion, including national co-financing and performance reserve, which only partially cover the investment needs of projects in the pipeline. An additional funding will be ensured through the National Programme for Rural Development, infrastructure development measure in rural areas.
http://www.romaniajournal.ro/ec-prov...ture-projects/
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In this March 2014 imagery you can see that earthworks are pretty advanced, but no indication of a large border crossing. Only two small rest areas seems to have been planned at that time (maybe for vignette sales?) on both sides of the border.
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Perhaps this border check point can be easely turned into a proper rest area later, once Romania (and Bulgaria) have entered the shengen area!
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