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Old July 14th, 2015, 10:31 AM   #8281
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By my calculations, with last Saturday opening, Romania topped 700 km of motorway, and now has 713 km of motorways.
Funny that no one gives a precise figure for that. Anyway, let's mention the 1,8km long A11 (northern end of Arad by-pass).

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They should also open this year Lugoj-Deva sections of A1 (lots 2 and 4) which means approx 50 km in total.
No, no, no. The section that they should open is Timisoara - Lugoj. And, maybe, but that's a BIG maybe, the section between Dumbrava and Margina.

And that's it. Lot 4 of Lugoj - Deva won't be opened as they don't have the final solution around Soimus and the works haven't started between Bejan and Soimus.
And of course, there won't be any other opening as all the others works sites are pretty much in a stand still situation (Gilau - Nadaselu because of the lask of agreement for cutiind down the forest, Sebes - Turda, lot 4, becuase of delaying the enviromental agreement or Bucuresti - Bucuresti by-pass, delayed after cancellation of contract)

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Next year are due Lugoj-Deva lot 3 (22 km), Sebes-Turda (70 km), and possibly some sections on A3 (on Gilau-Nadasel - 9 km), which means Romania should top 800 km, or even 850.
Chances are we hit 1000 km by 2018 (with a bit of luck in 2017) with the works on completion of Transilvania motorway from Oradea to Tg Mures and hopefully Bacau by-pass.
Oradea - Targu Mures won't hapen as the financing for Surplacu - Mihaesti is not available.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 01:09 PM   #8283
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Sibiu-Pitesti is now No 1 priority in the masterplan which has just been approved by the EC. As to the lenght of lots, that is still unkown until we see the FS. But approximately, they should have between 70 and 80 km altogether.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 11:27 AM   #8284
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I always wonder why don't they just build with budget money the critical section Comarnic-Busteni at motorway level (which admitedly may be the most difficult) but which would not cost more than Basarab Overpass in Bucharest. It'd be probably mostly tunnels, the updated FS is available, so they only need to allocate some EUR 150 m and contract a good tunnel builder. Building that section could leave the rest of the motorway to Brasov for later on as the worst traffic would be served.

My bright ideas have been listed to !! CNADNR has published a tender for works on Comarnic-Brasov motorway.

Lots opened to tender for works:
Predeal-Cristian: 6.3 km
Comarnic by-pass: 4 km


That'd be approx 20% of the lenght of the motorway section between Comarnic-Brasov.

Estimated total cost ~ EUR 90 m (it is expected the actual price to be substantially lower after the tender)
Source of funds: state budget

http://www.digi24.ro/Stiri/Digi24/Ac...arnic+-+Brasov

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Design and execution of the Bucharest - Brasov Motorway, Comarnic Brasov Section

Batch 1: Comarnic - Predeal, km 111+300 - km 115+300;
Batch 2: Predeal - Cristian, km 162+300 - km 168+600 and connecting road
http://www.cnadnr.ro/proiect_pcd.php?id=845

More info from the tender book:
Projected speed: 120 km/h
Profile: 2x2
Carriageway width: 26 m
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Old July 16th, 2015, 11:49 AM   #8285
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So it seems motorway construction in Romania will move from building motorways in the plains or hilly region to the exciting phase of works in the mountains for A1 (Sibiu-Pitesti) and A3 (Comarnic-Brasov).
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Old July 16th, 2015, 12:25 PM   #8286
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Lots opened to tender for works:
Predeal-Cristian: 6.3 km
No, it is not Predeal - Cristian, it's Rasnov - Cristian. From here towards north, all the way till here + the connection road towards Brasov (North-east) that will be build until DN73, not until DN73B.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 12:38 PM   #8287
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So it seems motorway construction in Romania will move from building motorways in the plains or hilly region to the exciting phase of works in the mountains for A1 (Sibiu-Pitesti) and A3 (Comarnic-Brasov).
Well, it was about time that this would happen, not only plain areas should have motorways.
Oh, by the way, I've seen about a motorway to Iasi and Moldova, (the A8).....how about it?
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No, it is not Predeal - Cristian, it's Rasnov - Cristian. From here towards north, all the way till here + the connection road towards Brasov (North-east) that will be build until DN73, not until DN73B.
I quoted the tender release. Now I see the exact subsections.

So, it's basically Comarnic + Rasnov + Cristian by passes. They probably thought there's not enough room to build road by-passes and then motorway by-passes, and so jumped to motorway by-passes only.

Here are the motorway in red and the tendered sections in orange:

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Well, it was about time that this would happen, not only plain areas should have motorways.
It'll be a bit of Alps' impression of spectacular motorways in the mountains.

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Oh, by the way, I've seen about a motorway to Iasi and Moldova, (the A8).....how about it?
That will be after 2020. It's the most complex and expensive mountain motorway crossing of the 3 proposed.
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OMV Petrom to open mobile gas stations on 5 highway sections
BY NINEOCLOCK • JULY 16, 2015


The National Highway Company (CNADNR) and OMV Petrom Marketing signed on Wednesday the contract for the setting up of mobile gas stations on five highway sections.

According to a CNADNR communiqué, the five highway sections are: Section 1, A1 Highway, Nadlac-Arad; Section 4, A1 Highway, Lugoj-Deva; Section 6, A1 Highway, Orastie-Sibiu; Section 8, A1 Highway, Orastie-Sibiu and Section 9, A2 Highway, Medgidia-Constanta.

CNADNR launched a public tender for the contract on May 15.

“With the signing of this contract, but also of those to follow, I consider we took a step forward in ensuring necessary services, such as fuel supply through mobile gas stations and the sale of food and non-food products, for all those using the highways. In this way, we will ensure modern, civilized, but also safe conditions for all those using the highways. I want to point out that the deadline for the completion of the works is October 2015,” CNADNR Director Narcis Stefan Neaga stated.
http://www.nineoclock.ro/omv-petrom-...hway-sections/
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It'll be a bit of Alps' impression of spectacular motorways in the mountains
Yes, its probably going to be a lookalike of the Alps motorways but in eastern Europe
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That will be after 2020. It's the most complex and expensive mountain motorway crossing of the 3 proposed.
Oh, this is quite a lot of time.....
And now that I mentioned, is anything going on with the A6 and the Fagaras-Sibiu motorways?
I've seen about the later in osm and I wanted to ask.....
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A6: no, A13: FS
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Oh, this is quite a lot of time.....
And now that I mentioned, is anything going on with the A6 and the Fagaras-Sibiu motorways?
I've seen about the later in osm and I wanted to ask.....
FS ongoing
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About A6. If the Gov decided that the concessions failed they will build Comarnic-Brasov with government money and much cheaper (because I made that suggestion - see above), I wonder whether I should be also making the suggestion that they should build A6 on government money. Especially that there is now taxes paid in excess of budgetary prognosis (about EUR 1 B in H1 2015, due to VAT reduction for foodstuff from 24% to 9%).

Coming back to A3, I would like to see a tender for the Sinaia by-pass which = a long 3 km duble tunnel basically. That would solve the Comarnic-Brasov traffic for a while, and they could move to A6.
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About A6. If the Gov decided that the concessions failed they will build Comarnic-Brasov with government money and much cheaper (because I made that suggestion - see above), I wonder whether I should be also making the suggestion that they should build A6 on government money. Especially that there is now taxes paid in excess of budgetary prognosis (about EUR 1 B in H1 2015, due to VAT reduction for foodstuff from 24% to 9%).

Coming back to A3, I would like to see a tender for the Sinaia by-pass which = a long 3 km duble tunnel basically. That would solve the Comarnic-Brasov traffic for a while, and they could move to A6.
Well, both motorways are difficult to build even if they are vital for the country that's the conclusion
How much do they cost btw?
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A6 and Comarnic-Brasov?


Comarnic-Brasov is estimated at 1.3 B .

A6 is more expensive, and we do not have an estimation yet, because there is no FS. At 260 km in lenght, we could calculate at an average EUR 8-15 m / km at Romanian cost standards in hilly/mountain regions (for ex, double tunnels are standardized at EUR 20 m / km). That leads us to about EUR 2.5 B. I do not think works will start before 2020, even it is in TEN-T Core. It is not even among top priorities of the masterplan.

There is also A12 (Craiova-Pitesti), which should be built by 2020 - this is a commitment taken to Ford plant . Since Pitesti-Sibiu needs to be completed cca 2020, a motorway from Pitesti to Craiova would help Ford plant to take its production into the EU, especially since there are plans to add moremodels in production in 2017.
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Well, no, I must say, once again, that I disagree with LeClerk:

- on A3 we don't need first Sinaia by-pass but Busteni by-pass. After that will be time for Sinaia by-pass and conection between Predeal and Comarnic. And, at the end, Rasnov - Predeal. This is the right order, if they want to make it in little baby steps.

- A6 (Lugoj - Craiova), just as A8 (Targu Mures - Iasi) or A13 (Brasov - Bacau) should be done initially just as half-profile or 2+1 alternatively. Traffic is not that huge and I rather have more safe 2+1 roads that just a few kilometres of highway.

At before any of that, our government should have realised that A0 is the main priority. It's a pitty that A0 doesn't get the right attention and public opinion seems to just desire a upgrade for DNCB to a really messsy design.
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- A6 (Lugoj - Craiova), just as A8 (Targu Mures - Iasi) or A13 (Brasov - Bacau) should be done initially just as half-profile or 2+1 alternatively. Traffic is not that huge and I rather have more safe 2+1 roads that just a few kilometres of highway.
I think, half-profile does not save much money. Maximum 30%. But adding the 2nd lane (10..20 years later) would cost much more (price increase and difficulties because the other c/w would be in service).

In addition, I think 2+1 should be used for widening of existing roads or if it is not planned to add a 2nd c/w later on, that means no space reservation, wider overpasses etc.

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At before any of that, our government should have realised that A0 is the main priority. It's a pitty that A0 doesn't get the right attention and public opinion seems to just desire a upgrade for DNCB to a really messsy design.
Agree.
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-So, its going to be a long time to finally see the A6 finish at the New Europe Bridge
-The A0 is the Autostrada Centura Bucuresti, right?
Having in mind that this motorway, if fully constructed, will connect 3 motorways, something that will help decongestion of the CB and the city of Bucharest, so its true that it should be a priority
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