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Old August 23rd, 2015, 12:41 PM   #8461
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smugglers

Romania accepted to receive a quota of between 2 k and 3 k imigrants

anyway, I do not think we'll get into Schengen in 2016. Maybe only with aerial and maritime borders.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 01:51 PM   #8462
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If Romania and Bulgaria were in Schengen, there would be a continuous and borderless land mass in between the hundreds of thousand of migrants waiting now in Greece to breakthrough into the rest of Schengen area (now starting in Hungary) and central Europe. Basically, if Romania and Bulgaria were in Schengen, the migrants would have a free passage to Germany and France, and other rich EU members.
But look at the news, this is already the case, they already can go almost freely into Schengen through the Serbia/Hungary border...

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The current situation shows that Schengen does not work. I don't think that anyone would extend Schengen when the system obviously does not work! That's the link to potential new members!

The original problem why people flee is outside of Europe but that refugees go through Macedonia and Serbia is an EU problem/Schengen problem that concerns Non-EU/Schengen countries because EU/Schengen members do not handle the issue internally. The problem is that people LEAVE a Schengen country!

Yes, external borders need to be more protected to avoid people LEAVING a Schengen country!

It would not change anything but one cannot (should not) extend a system which is not working at all!
You're probably right...




Anyway sorry for the off-topic, I don't think that it is the right topic to talk about this...
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 01:56 PM   #8463
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Maybe we should start a new "Schengen Area" thread. Also to relieve the "International border crossings" thread. Maybe a mod could shift the posts to a new thread?
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 04:25 PM   #8464
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But look at the news, this is already the case, they already can go almost freely into Schengen through the Serbia/Hungary border...
Almost freely. That's the key word. They still have to break through the GR-MK border, and then the MK-SR border and then the SR-HU border. That's 3 more borders to get through. If RO and BG were în Schengen there would be 0 borders . And then RO and BG would be a motorway to Germany for migrants.

The same number of borders is currently through the non-Schengen România and Bulgaria. Problem is Danube. It's a natural border and very difficult to pas.

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Old August 23rd, 2015, 05:43 PM   #8465
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Schengen is an obvious failure and will probably be abolished soon.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 06:11 PM   #8466
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Schengen is an obvious failure and will probably be abolished soon.
I wouldn't say so. I recall the long queues at the D/PL border as you see nowadays at the external Schengenborders. From an economic perspective is the not-having-to-wait-hours-at-the-border both for trucks and people a positive side of Schengen. Trains don't lose time at borders like now at the H/RO border. So there is an important positive aspect why Schengen won't be abolished soon. Instead an common immigration plan with review of Dublin agreement on asylum would be preferable.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 09:23 PM   #8467
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Schengen is an obvious failure and will probably be abolished soon.
Because you are only seing the bad part of it, hopefully the best part is bigger in my opinion... but the only possible mistake was to enlarge it a bit to much into eastern Europe without being able to ensure the security at those borders...
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 10:39 PM   #8468
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Because you are only seing the bad part of it, hopefully the best part is bigger in my opinion... but the only possible mistake was to enlarge it a bit to much into eastern Europe without being able to ensure the security at those borders...
Yes, cause Spain and Italy are doing really well with the migrants
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Old August 24th, 2015, 01:12 AM   #8469
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Right, but the problem is different as it is not land borders, but the problem is the same in a way, this is the lack of security on the outside borders of UE/Schengen...
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Old August 24th, 2015, 12:18 PM   #8470
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The current situation shows that Schengen does not work. I don't think that anyone would extend Schengen when the system obviously does not work! That's the link to potential new members.
Abolishing Schengen would mean border controls with Austria, France, NL. That would be a disaster for Germany, already overcrowded with cars and traffic. The solution is a good plan to tackle immigration, to tackle situation inwar zones, to help countries like Greece, Italy to deal with hoards of immigrants. But western countries only blame others...
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Old August 24th, 2015, 10:23 PM   #8471
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Germany just complaints that 40% of the refugees would come to Germany and other (eastern) EU countries don't want to house refugees. Some German politicians want to close the border but that's all bullshit because it just help slave traders/human traffickers (what's the common wording?)
If Germany and Sweden wouldn't encourage them, there would be way less of them.

They should take in ever bigger share.
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Old August 24th, 2015, 10:54 PM   #8472
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If Germany and Sweden wouldn't encourage them, there would be way less of them.

They should take in ever bigger share.
Encourage whom? Other EU countries or refugees? Sorry, I don't get it....

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Abolishing Schengen would mean border controls with Austria, France, NL. That would be a disaster for Germany, already overcrowded with cars and traffic. The solution is a good plan to tackle immigration, to tackle situation inwar zones, to help countries like Greece, Italy to deal with hoards of immigrants. But western countries only blame others...
Sorry, but I think that's exactly what I wrote...

btw: It's sometimes called "migration of peoples" ("Völkerwanderung") in Germany. I read some interesting (German) news article about it. For instance, there was a comparison to the end of the Roman Empire. But the conclusion of the article is, that the situation is different now. "Rome even survived its own ruin".

Another interesting fact is, that Germany expects about 800,000 immigrants this year. The highest immigration was in 1993 when 438,000 refugees came to Germany (YU war).

Anyway, it's OFF TOPIC!


Please stop the off topic discussion! Please reply in the new thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1847058


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Old August 24th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #8473
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Such intersections will be at all junction points on Bucharest ring south*, which will be turned into an expressway, as opposed to Bucharest ring north which still has at same level intersections.

*There will even be 3 leveled intersections on DNCB south.

EU funds will also be used for this project which will start next year.

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Will it also be a dual carriageway (2×2)? I remember the south ring as a road full with potholes, but that was like 20 years ago
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Old August 25th, 2015, 01:19 AM   #8474
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Romania has no intention of building 1x1 Expressways. The only question is what will the speed limit be on that road ....100kph per the original expressway standard or hopefully nearer 120kph if done properly.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 11:29 AM   #8475
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Will it also be a dual carriageway (2×2)? I remember the south ring as a road full with potholes, but that was like 20 years ago
Yes, will be a dual carriageway. But right now it looks just like 20 years ago.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 12:17 PM   #8476
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Less the potholes though.

Spoge: the speed limit will be decided by the FS which will be completed in Sept-Oct.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 02:45 PM   #8477
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Almost freely. That's the key word. They still have to break through the GR-MK border, and then the MK-SR border and then the SR-HU border. That's 3 more borders to get through. If RO and BG were în Schengen there would be 0 borders . And then RO and BG would be a motorway to Germany for migrants.

The same number of borders is currently through the non-Schengen România and Bulgaria. Problem is Danube. It's a natural border and very difficult to pas.
Well, the only way not to pass Danube is go thru border east of Silistra, and even though being a big detour, few would expect migrants coming in this places... So it should be a bit easier... Go on local trains up to Oradea or Arad and you are at the place. Noxious for EU
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Old August 26th, 2015, 09:59 PM   #8478
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Some pictures of A10 (Sebes-Turda motorway) U/C:




LOT 4 (near Turda/Cluj) :















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Some pictures of A10 (Sebes-Turda motorway) U/C:


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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:15 PM   #8480
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Some pictures of A10 (Sebes-Turda motorway) U/C:
LOT 4 (near Turda/Cluj) :
I drove on DN1 2 weeks ago. I couldn't see any asphalt layer - not sure, maybe at one location north of Aiud? - but I think LOT 3+4 could really be completed by early 2016. On the other hand, I couldn't see any works on LOT 1+2. Well, I saw some excavators and trucks with soil north of Lancram but I'm not sure if it was because of A10 or because of railway construction. It was on Sunday afternoon though.
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