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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:22 PM   #8481
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BTW: Ford decided to build a new model at the Craiova plant - Ford Ecosport, besides Ford B-MAX, starting 2017. Apparently, this was agreed on the condition of the A12 motorway construction, on top of the Sibiu-Pitesti motorway. I hope Ford's optimism will be confirmed.

The traffic already on Craiova-Pitesti ad Pitesti-Sibiu is beyond possible. 60-70 k new cars in production per year and the new automotive plants planned near Ford plant will turn the route into an incredible experience.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:25 PM   #8482
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Apparently, this was agreed on the condition of the A12 motorway construction, on top of the Sibiu-Pitesti motorway.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:30 PM   #8483
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I posted the link. Ford conditioned producing the new model in Craiova on 2 things: infrastructure (foremostly) and state aid. Infrastructure for Ford always meant A12 and Sibiu-Pitesti motorways.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:34 PM   #8484
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I posted the link. Ford conditioned producing the new model in Craiova on 2 things: infrastructure (foremostly) and state aid. Infrastructure for Ford always meant A12 and Sibiu-Pitesti motorways.
Ok, "always" (in the past) but not mentioned in the article.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:39 PM   #8485
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Actually, yes, for a bit of Romanian introspection.

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Americanii ar fi adus în discuţie ideea unui nou ajutor de stat, însă marea lor doleanţă este infrastructura.
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Pâna în 2017, cei de la Ford speră că infrastructura de transport din România se va îmbunătăți.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:46 PM   #8486
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Americans (FORD) complain about the (bad) infrastructure and HOPE that it would be improved by 2017.... American dream........ I think 2020+ is more likely....
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:47 PM   #8487
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Obviously 2017 is not feasible. 2020 is indeed for A12 and Sibiu-Pitesti.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:49 PM   #8488
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Agree. But your original quote is not correct:

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BTW: Ford decided to build a new model at the Craiova plant - Ford Ecosport, besides Ford B-MAX, starting 2017. Apparently, this was agreed on the condition of the A12 motorway construction, on top of the Sibiu-Pitesti motorway. I hope Ford's optimism will be confirmed.

The traffic already on Craiova-Pitesti ad Pitesti-Sibiu is beyond possible. 60-70 k new cars in production per year and the new automotive plants planned near Ford plant will turn the route into an incredible experience.
I think "condition" is not the correct translation of hope!
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Old August 26th, 2015, 11:11 PM   #8489
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We will see in the coming period. In my personal interpretation, 'infrastructure' means the particular motorways I mentioned. And also Ford mentioned for a few years already.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 11:58 PM   #8490
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Well, you seems to forget that for FORD is more important Craiova - Calafat road and sending goods over Danube either towards Germany or towards Constanta and Black Sea.

And their only condition, which was used also in the past, is this one:

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Exista informații conform cărora Ford ar condiționa acum aducerea unui al doilea model la fabrica din Craiova de acordarea încă unui ajutor de stat, în limita pragului impus de regulile europene, de 20% din valoarea investiție
Do I need to translate or do you tone down a little your dreams?
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Old August 27th, 2015, 12:20 AM   #8491
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The Government will provide that for sure
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Old August 27th, 2015, 01:26 AM   #8492
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is more important Craiova - Calafat road
Are there any pictures of this road available?
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Old August 27th, 2015, 07:34 AM   #8493
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State aid is always in discussion in such projects. But the news clearly mentions Ford put infrastructure needs above state aid.

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BTW: Fords needs a few more parts producers there by 2017. That will put actually more stress on infrastructure than Ford proper.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 03:22 PM   #8494
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BY NINEOCLOCK • AUGUST 28, 2015 AT 11:35 AM





Ford could announce this autumn the production of a new model at its plant in Craiova. The Ford EcoSport model, which is currently imported to Europe from India, could be produced in Romania alongside the B-Max model.

However, the decision depends on talks that Ford representatives are currently having with Government representatives. The Americans allegedly brought up the idea of a new state aid, however their main demand concerns the infrastructure.

According to the local press, the negotiations on the future of Ford’s Craiova plant no longer centre on what other model could be produced there alongside the B-Max. The model has already been selected.
http://www.nineoclock.ro/ford-could-...el-in-craiova/
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Old August 28th, 2015, 03:49 PM   #8495
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Yes but Ford will want written confirmation on the prioritisation of the Motorway sections _they_ want and those sections will be prioritised over ones that are perhaps more generally useful to the average Romanian.

Ford only want to get from the factory to the Danube at one location and to barge the product up the river from there. Of course Dacia are in the next big town and probably have the same general idea as Ford.....but Ford have more clout. Ford have generally located all their large EU plants near water going back many many years , EG This and have closed landlocked ones like Genk.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 04:07 PM   #8496
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Yeah, I read that, but Ford repeatedly asked for Sibiu-Pitesti motorway and Craiova-Pitesti motorway. We will probably get more info at the end of negotiations with the Romanian Gov.

I do not get it why Danube transportation does not have appeal for such big plants.
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/you...ned-2015-08-05
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Old August 28th, 2015, 06:31 PM   #8498
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People don't tend to buy cars in August.

http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...auto-transport



But you guys in Romania need to buy more Volkwagens from Slovakia as well.....and Audi TTs and Suzukis from Hungary too.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 09:24 PM   #8499
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VW is second sold brand in Romania after Dacia. Even though Ford has a plant here, Ford is after VW at sales.
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