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Old January 5th, 2010, 03:24 PM   #841
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Will the connection of Transilvania Motorway with the Hungarian border at Bors be ready before the Hungarian motorway connection will be ready? Does anybody know about the state of works on the Hungarian side?
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Old January 5th, 2010, 03:58 PM   #842
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For the moment there are no works between Debrecen and Bors and also there are no works planned there in 2010. In the best scenario the motorway there will be built between 2011-2013.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 04:00 PM   #843
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For the moment there are no works between Debrecen and Bors and also there are no works planned there in 2010. In the best scenario the motorway there will be built between 2011-2013.
Thanks. So the first motorway segment to be completed in western Romania will find no external connection there for the coming 3 years at least?

We should've focused on Corridor IV and completed as much possible of it in Romania instead of carring out a lot of works on A3 and putting most of money in it. By the time A3 will be completed in 2013 (from Tg. Mures to Bors), there will still be no connection in Hungary, and no complete connection of Bucharest to western Europe on Corridor IV.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 09:41 PM   #844
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I totally agree, Transylvania motorway is only a good idea once the capital has a motorway connection to the rest of the EU. Especially given that it gets no funds from the EU, and with the money pumped into it a lot more of corridors IV and IX could be built.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 09:57 PM   #845
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There is no point for Hungary to connect to Romanian motorway network before Romania join Schengen area.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 10:14 PM   #846
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A0 is it a motorway or "only" expressway?
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Old January 5th, 2010, 10:27 PM   #847
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There is no point for Hungary to connect to Romanian motorway network before Romania join Schengen area.
Hungary is already connected to Romania on Corridor IV. And Hungary has plenty of interest to connect to Transylvania motorway but I think they have not budgeted it until 2013.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 10:30 PM   #848
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A0 is it a motorway or "only" expressway?
A0 is the motorway ring for Bucharest. It's a 100 km long motorway all round Bucharest. At project status.

Bucharest is expanding now the current ring at 2x2 expressway. A large section in the N is almost competed.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 10:54 PM   #849
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I totally agree, Transylvania motorway is only a good idea once the capital has a motorway connection to the rest of the EU. Especially given that it gets no funds from the EU, and with the money pumped into it a lot more of corridors IV and IX could be built.
Yes, that's what we should've done from the beginning. That's why there's the express road planned from Cluj to Sibiu. Now the traffic is nowhere near that of a motorway for the newly opened section of Transilvania motorway, while on some sections of the current Corridor IV (at 1x1 European road) the traffic is 4-5 times that on the Transilvania motorway.

I am not saying Transilvania motorway is not useful I am saying it should've been delayed after completion of Corridor IV. Meanwhile, we've been delaying works on some sections on Corridor IV because most of the money available went to Transylvania Motorway.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 02:59 AM   #850
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There is no point for Hungary to connect to Romanian motorway network before Romania join Schengen area.
Easy for you to say, if you were living in Szeged, Makó or other villages along road 43 you would think otherwise.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 04:22 AM   #851
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All countries having budget problems there is no need for Hungary to spend millions of Euros to build border facilities (and another millions to run them) for maybe just one year before Romania join Schengen.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 07:48 AM   #852
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Yes, I agree with border checkpoint construction - the current ones should be used. But building motorways, or at least expressway bypasses, until the last exit before the border is absolutely necessary. Cities like Szeged and Makó are already clogged up with cars and trucks during summer (and probably also winter) holidays.
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I agree, the Corridor IV should have been the first one to be built, but with a slightly different route, from Bucharest to Sibiu, the optimal route would have been through Brasov, not Pitesti.

Unfortunately, Transilvania Motorway was part of the deal when Romania was accepted in NATO.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 02:16 PM   #854
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The EU will adopt a new budget so we may get more funds for motorways. In fact I am sure we'll get more funds.


PS: I hope you are not taking into account the black coloured network which IMO is planned after 2020. In fact, I made that observation on my map.
It seems that the free money from EU can only cover around 300 Km of motorways and 160 km of high speed until 2015. Here is the source and the status of the bidding program.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 05:04 PM   #855
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It seems that the free money from EU can only cover around 300 Km of motorways and 160 km of high speed until 2015. Here is the source and the status of the bidding program.
I think he meant the EU money alone could theoretically pay for 300 km of motorway. Don't forget that the RO gov must also bring some money, about 40% of the cost. So in the end, he means about 550 km of Corridor IV, which means the distance left to be constructed, leaving aside the operational 330 km. AFAIK, the entire Corridor IV is subsidized by EU. From 2013, when the budget will be changed, other motorways will come under EU subsidy, competion of Corridor IV on A7, possibly those on Corridor IX (A5) and Corridor XI (Timisoara-Serbian border). I wonder if we'll be influent enough to include A4 under the EU subsidy, but I doubt.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 06:04 PM   #856
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2010 spring construction starts:

M43: Makó - Romanian border (23,1 kms) full profile motorway
M3: Nyíregyháza - Main road 49 - Vásárosnamény (45 kms) full profile motorway
M2: Budapest - Vác (20 kms) - upgrade to full profile motorway
M9: Main road 51 - Main road 54 (12,3 kms) half profile expressway

Total: 100,4 kms
Ground works on the last section of M43 scheduled to start in March, and a deadline for the development is the summer of 2012.

M35 connection to the A3 needs only political will, so as the M49 connection between Vája (M3) and Satu Mare/Szatmárnémeti.

IMO after a governmental change this spring (hopefully) the A3-M35 connection will be priority.

Waiting for you guys...
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Old January 6th, 2010, 07:31 PM   #857
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Ground works on the last section of M43 scheduled to start in March, and a deadline for the development is the summer of 2012.
I think by then A1 will be completed from Timisoara/Temesvár (or even further than that) through Arad all the way to the Hungarian border at Nadlac/Nagylac.

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M35 connection to the A3 needs only political will,
Keep us updated about that. We might reach the border there before you reach it guys.

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so as the M49 connection between Vája (M3) and Satu Mare/Szatmárnémeti.
We won't have any motorway there too soon. I hope you know that.

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IMO after a governmental change this spring (hopefully) the A3-M35 connection will be priority.
Good to hear that!
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Old January 6th, 2010, 07:58 PM   #858
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The Minister of Transportation said that 2 more billion EUR will be borrowed from EBRD, EIB and EU for motorway construction in the coming 3 years, especially with the aim to complete Corridor IV by 2013.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 08:00 PM   #859
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Corridor IV = A1?
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Corridor IV = A1?
A1 + A2 (all the way to Constanta)

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