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Old October 10th, 2016, 11:24 PM   #9161
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I've never heard of in-house schemes for large highway projects in present-day Europe. I don't think it's against EU laws, but public administrations simply don't have the financial and technical resources to cope with them. Ordinary and extraordinary maintenance (like this reconstruction of the collapsed section), are another thing, of course.
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Old October 10th, 2016, 11:43 PM   #9162
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I think that the objective of these in-house projects has been clearly stated (see my other post), so there is really no need to speculate here. The reason we have infrastructure companies is that they win those tenders and build those infrastructure projects. Another matter is how the authorities deal with those companies, how they assist them in carrying out that contract and how they monitor their work. Here's where the former leadership of CNADNR has done a bad job and this is why we aren't where we're supposed to be in terms of infrastructure.

This 'in-house projects" solution was adopted by the technocratic minister of Transportation and by the new leadership of CNADNR as a means to save time on some very urgent projects (we mainly talk about some short Bypass roads). As we know, at the time the former Gov. stepped out at the end of last year, not only that almost all of the U/C infrastructure projects were stuck (construction/environmental permits missing, etc), but also planning for future projects was lagging. I don't see any reason why this "in-house projects" solution should be extended past those projects that have already been announced (one for each of the 7 regional CNADNR divisions). I mean, there is enough time to plan ahead/have those tenders for projects that would start at a later date.

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Old October 11th, 2016, 07:40 AM   #9163
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Again, I watched the head of CNADNR mentioning clearly Suceava by-pass and the Giurgiu bridge express connection as 'examples' for upcoming 'in-house' projects. I don't think they mean only these, but they want to start step by step.
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Old October 11th, 2016, 08:04 AM   #9164
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I've never heard of in-house schemes for large highway projects in present-day Europe. I don't think it's against EU laws, but public administrations simply don't have the financial and technical resources to cope with them. Ordinary and extraordinary maintenance (like this reconstruction of the collapsed section), are another thing, of course.
This was not 'maintenance' works.

This was rasing, and rebuilding of the whole underground structure and the rest of the layering of the motorway. It was purely construction works from basement to asphalt, but done properly this time, and not shitty as unfortunately the private contractor did. And yes, this public company did have the resources for that.
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Old October 12th, 2016, 12:21 AM   #9165
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Well, i agree, that this so-called in-house-scheme is too young for proper discussion about sucess. But give it a try. So much went wrong, maybe it is easier to deal with problems on a more direct way....
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Old October 12th, 2016, 12:47 AM   #9166
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I think the contracts described are Build only and are for sections that might not attract Design Build or Design Build Operate contractors at reasonable prices. So the roads agency takes on the Design and hires a contractor to do what it tells them day to day.

Your roads agency has plenty of engineers, let them get their hands dirty every now and then.
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Old October 12th, 2016, 10:47 AM   #9167
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The problem with in-house development is often the low pay of public employees. You usually get what you pay for.

However, it's important to maintain knowledge in-house. But if you want to do everything in-house, you'll get a major chance of a backlog, as the pay is too low to attract additional personnel.

This may not (yet) be a major issue in Romania, where there probably isn't as much opposition to a project as say in Germany or Austria. I've read stories about Germany, how they have two or three civil servants working on an environmental impact assessment thousands of pages long, taking years to complete. That's when you want external parties speeding up the process. A recurring complaint in Germany is the lack of planning capacity because so much is done in-house.
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Old October 12th, 2016, 11:02 AM   #9168
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Incomes in CNADNR are pretty competitive in the industry.

BTW: referring back to what kind of 'in-house' works CNADNR did on the sliding section near Sibiu, Alpin's post is pretty relevant:

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BEFORE (Motorway section was closed September 7, 2015, and the 200m stretch was demolished soon after that)



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Old October 12th, 2016, 11:20 PM   #9169
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A1 Dumbrava - Margina section (min. 1:40 - end) should be opened by the end of this year. The section is part of Lugoj - Deva Lot 2 and is ~ 15.5 km long.



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Old October 12th, 2016, 11:46 PM   #9170
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And some pics, same motorway section:















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Old October 13th, 2016, 02:05 PM   #9171
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CNADNR has ready tenders for Ploiesti-Bacau DX/motorway (A7).

http://www.cnadnr.ro/ro/comunicare/c...presa-30092016






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Old October 14th, 2016, 03:20 AM   #9172
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I've read stories about Germany, how they have two or three civil servants working on an environmental impact assessment thousands of pages long, taking years to complete.
This pestilence in Western Europe is called "Greenmail" :
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Old October 17th, 2016, 05:05 PM   #9173
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Actually, 2 parts are expected to be delivered in 2017 (lot III and IV, between Aiud and Turda). The rest in 2018.
Is this confirmed? No partial A10 opening expected in 2016 anymore?
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It seems that the Dumbrava - Margina stretch of A1 (~ 15km) will be opened for traffic by the end of this year. Pictures here.
Is the 10km Dobra-Ilia section also still expected to be opened in 2016?
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Old October 21st, 2016, 06:21 PM   #9175
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Tender notices for 2 small sections of A3 have now been published on Romania's Electronic System of Public Procurement (SEAP):

A3 Bridge over the Somesul Mic River + connection btw. section 2B and subsection 3A1 of A3 (~ 800 m)

Valoare estimata: 48,566,561.23 RON fara TVA
Deschidere oferte: 05.12.2016
Data limită de evaluare a ofertelor: 03.01.2017.

A3 Targu Mures - Ogra Lot 1 (4,5 km) + Targu Mures - A3 connection (4.7 km)

Valoare estimata: 284,915,969.74 RON fara TVA
Deschidere oferte: 07.12.2016
Data limită de evaluare a ofertelor: 03.01.2017.

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Is the 10km Dobra-Ilia section also still expected to be opened in 2016?
No. I think it's T2 2017 for that section.

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Old October 21st, 2016, 09:47 PM   #9176
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A3 Suplacu de Barcau - Bors - 21.10.2016



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Old October 22nd, 2016, 11:44 AM   #9177
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Is this confirmed? No partial A10 opening expected in 2016 anymore?
Nope. The only strech of highway which still has some small chances to be open for traffic this year is Dumbrava - Margina, part of Lugoj - Deva lot II.
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Old October 25th, 2016, 09:56 AM   #9178
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Tender notices for 2 small sections of A3 have now been published on Romania's Electronic System of Public Procurement (SEAP):

A3 Bridge over the Somesul Mic River + connection btw. section 2B and subsection 3A1 of A3 (~ 800 m)

Valoare estimata: 48,566,561.23 RON fara TVA
Deschidere oferte: 05.12.2016
Data limită de evaluare a ofertelor: 03.01.2017.
This is that short 800 m stretch where the A3 currently ends at Cluj/Kolozsvár?
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Old October 25th, 2016, 10:39 AM   #9180
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There are some leftover bridge elements laying all around. Can/Will those be used for the future bridge superstructure?
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