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Old July 13th, 2017, 01:14 PM   #9501
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PPPs have been dropped a long time ago as a solution for motorways in Romania, and we mentioned this here a few times already.
Which is why PPPs are in the Transport Masterplan agreed with the EU in 2014-5 is it?
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Old July 13th, 2017, 07:35 PM   #9502
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The last one is a source for the statement that got you riled up this time (that the CB will be improved to 2x2). There's actual tangible tender stuff, but obviously that doesn't mean it will happen any time soon (and no one thinks so).
Wow, this right here is living proof that you are being missinformed. Like I stated earlier, ONLY 1km before and after said interchanges on DNCB (with DJ602, DJ401 and DN4) will be widened. ONLY THERE. The rest of the road will remain just as narrow and crappy as before. The EU will not give us money for another ringroad so it's up to us to do widen it ourselves. Not gonna happen, we have salaries and pensions to raise before investing in anything

Yet, just a few messages above LeClerk was talking about how A0 and DNCB will have 4 lanes combined per direction and everything will be just fine. Not very accurate, is it? That's without mentioning the huge difference between a lane on a motorway and one on a poorly designed national road and the fact that it's not the number of lanes that's gonna kill each road, but the incredibly poor interchanges, that will be very hard to upgrade in the future. You've seen above the interchanges on A0 south. Take into account that DNCB is even worse, just look at the solutions imagined on the north half of it, because they saved peanuts on not building a third level on the main road. Solutions that will also be applied on DNCB with A1 and A2, that carry even more traffic.

https://www.google.ro/maps/@44.53421...2!8i6656?hl=ro
NB: they have only just chaged all of this, to a crazier solution involving a 1 km detour to another roundabout on either side and dismantling the central pretzel-roundabout, because traffic just shut down on most directions
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An exemple of traffic at Otopeni on DNCB, shot on a period with low traffic; rush-hours meant more than half an hour of waiting to cross. Just skip to 6min16s.

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Oh, cmon ! You know perfectly that the dumb „solutions” on DNCB north will not be replicated on DNCB south. The essential difference will be at-grade vs non-grade junctions.
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Old July 13th, 2017, 10:43 PM   #9504
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Which is why PPPs are in the Transport Masterplan agreed with the EU in 2014-5 is it?
Which is why all PPPs are now scheduled and filed for budget and EU funds. Such as Comarnic-Brasov or Craiova-Pitesti. Or A0 south even. All previously proposed for PPPs.
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Old July 13th, 2017, 10:48 PM   #9505
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Offers for A7 (Ploiesti-Buzau lot) FS+design:

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1. ACCIONA INGENIERIA SA
2. CONSITRANS SRL
3. Asocierea RINA CONSULTING SPA - RINA CONSULTING EAST EUROPE SRL- VIAPONTE ROM SRL
4. Asocierea EGIS ROMANIA SA - EGIS INTERNATIONAL SAS
5. Asocierea SC ITALROM INGINERIE INTERNATIONALA SRL - SC METROUL SA - SC ISPCF SA
6. Asocierea ROMAIR CONSULTING SRL - SC DOHWA ENGINEERING CO LTD
7. Asocierea EUROCERAD INTERNATIONAL SRL - 3TI PROGETTI ITALIA - INGEGNERIA INTEGRATA SPA
8. Asocierea SEARCH CORPORATION SRL - SC BEST CONSULTING & DESIGN SRL - SC FORMIN SA
9. Asocierea TRACTEBEL ENGINEERING SA - EXPERT PROIECT 2002 SRL - TRANSPROIECT 2001 SA
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Other lots should follow.

Further on A7 bids Bacau-Focsani lot:
  1. Acciona Igenieria SA,
  2. Consitrans SRL,
  3. Asocierea Rina Consulting S.p.A - Rina Consulting East Europe SRL - Viaponte Rom SRL,
  4. Asocierea SC Italrom Imginerie Internationala SRL - SC Metroul SA - SC ISPCF ,
  5. Asocierea Romair Consulting SRL - Dohwa Eengineering CO. LTD,
  6. Asocierea Search Corporation SRL - Best Consulting& Design SRL - Formin SA,
  7. Asocierea Tractebel Emgineering SA & Expert Proiect 2002 SRL & Transproiect 2001 SA


plus A3-Otopeni airport DX link:
  1. Asocierea Search Corporation SRL - Best Consulting& Design SRL, SC Consitrans SRL,
  2. Asocierea SC TPF Cproject SRL - TPF Getinsa Euroestudios SL,
  3. Asocierea Italrom Inginerie Imternationala SRL - Metroul SA - ISPCF SA, Asocierea SC Eurocerad International SRL & SC Total Road SRL
  4. Asocierea 3TI Progetti Italia Ingegneria Integrata S.p.A. - Vio Top SRL.


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Old July 14th, 2017, 03:42 AM   #9506
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PPPs have been dropped a long time ago as a solution for motorways in Romania, and we mentioned this here a few times already.
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Which is why all PPPs are now scheduled and filed for budget and EU funds. Such as Comarnic-Brasov or Craiova-Pitesti. Or A0 south even. All previously proposed for PPPs.
So PPPs are "dropped" "as a solution" and then "scheduled" and "filed" ..."for budget"

This explains why none are ever actually built in Romania. They are trapped in a filing cabinet.

LeClerk , you are the most useless permatroll in the entire Highways forum and Romania deserves better than this continous nonsense.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 07:16 AM   #9507
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Ahm. You have been lost again in the wrong predictions and cant get out of your butthurt. And yes, A3 will be built and that not on the stupid PPP (as this is also true for (raiova-Pitesti). Now get lost and troll somewhere else !
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Old July 14th, 2017, 09:38 AM   #9508
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Ahm. You have been lost again in the wrong predictions and cant get out of your butthurt. And yes, A3 will be built and that not on the stupid PPP (as this is also true for (raiova-Pitesti). Now get lost and troll somewhere else !


Guys, while you are fighting around I simply enjoy your DN roads, ok?
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Old July 14th, 2017, 05:48 PM   #9509
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Ahm. You have been lost again in the wrong predictions
Nahhh we all heard it first time.

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correction. CNAIR plans to tender 800 km this year.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 10:34 PM   #9510
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Oh, cmon ! You know perfectly that the dumb „solutions” on DNCB north will not be replicated on DNCB south. The essential difference will be at-grade vs non-grade junctions.
Ok, let's get our facts straight here. Cause this is becoming confusing for everyone, and I don't like to argue just for the sake of it. So we'll coment on everything on a point by point basis.

DNCB south for the sake of the discussion includes the intersections with A1 and A2, to properly compare it with A0. I do not have the FS for DNCB south on hand, but I did quote any image l could find online. So:
- DNCB / A2, part of the contract for widening DNCB from DN2 to A2, currently canceled mid-construction, being tendered as we speak for completion. Will be built as illustrated, featuring the already original patented romanian pretzel-roundabout just skrews traffic from all direction except the one that has a direct lane Unless the contractor build an underpass on his money, this is how things will stay, until the realise the mistake again.



- DNCB with Splaiul Independentei (main road from Bucharest), modest solution, should be adequate for a while. WILL NOT be built on EU money, so it won't happen for a while



- DNCB / DN4, elevated roundabout, currently tendered, along with 1km of DNCB widened before and after

- DNCB / DJ401, same as above

- DNCB / DN5, designed as a 3 level interchange, WILL NOT be upgraded for an unknown period of time. Currently a 1+1 overpass on DNCB with "on-ramps" that are just village streets merging with DN5 at a 90 degree angle, surrounded by houses. An absolute nightmare for trucks. Paradoxically, the "ramps" will remain just the same even after the costly upgrade...



- DNCB / DN6 and DNCB / DC18 Magurele, both 3 level interchanges in the future, with no present chances of becoming reality. Currently both are overpasses over the ringroad and one ramp to the side, featuring at-level intersections at both ends of the ramp




- DNCB with Dj602, will be an elevated roundabout, should begin contruction this year. No significant widening of DNCB near the interchange.

- DNCB / A1, this one is just mad, considering the ridiculous amount of traffic this it is predicted to carry. Is part of the contract to widen the northern half, initially featured a pretzel roundabout, now it's rumoured that they changed it just like they did at Otopeni, with 2 roundabouts far to the sides. Which is weird, as anything south of A1 is not part of the lot, so there's no way to build anything other than organising a whole new tender...

- widening of DNCB to 2x2: other than mentioned above, not the slightest chance in this decade . Just no

To sum it up. Yes, there will be some local investments to solve the worse 3 bottlenecks, and they will make a difference, I agree. But there are 2 interchanges with A1 and A2 that will be upgraded to stone-age level solutions that will freeze traffic not only on the ringroad, but on the motorways aswell. There are 3 other important nodes that receive no upgrade for along time, and one of them needs it desperately; and it won't even get a proper upgrade either. And the road will be stuck as a rural 1+1 for years to come.
In conclusion, I believe and thoroughly argumented that DNCB will NOT be provide 2 extralanes for transit traffic, to compensate for the poor design of A0. It will barely handle local traffic and will surely cause backlogs for the most important roads feeding into it.
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Old July 15th, 2017, 01:50 PM   #9511
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Guys, while you are fighting around I simply enjoy your DN roads, ok?
Did yesterday Chisinau Cris - Varfurile - Brad - Abrud - Campeni - Turda

How was it ?
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Old July 15th, 2017, 11:10 PM   #9512
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How was it ?
Enjoyable! Apparently it has a nick name, 'golden road' due to the gold mines and the pitoresque views.
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Old July 22nd, 2017, 05:37 PM   #9513
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I think my Romanian list of motorways u/c is totally out-dated

Can anyone help to update the estimated (= official but realistic) opening dates - especially A3 and A10, I think A1 should be right. Thanks!

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A3: Iernut – Ungheni-Airport 14km (Mid 2016 to Mid 2017) – ? – map
A10: Turda (A3) – Decea 16.8km (July 2014 to Summer 2017) – ? – map
A10: Decea – Aiud 8.5km (July 2014 to Summer 2017) – ? – map
A1: Holdea – Ilia ~21km (2013 to Fall 2017) – ? – map
A3: Bucharest Ring Road – Voluntari-Popasului Street 4.5km (April 2012 to >= 2017) – ? – map
A3: Voluntari-Popasului Street – Bucharest-Gherghitei Street 2.0km (April 2012 to >= 2017) – ? – map

2018 opening:

A3: Campia Turzii – Ludus 16km (Early 2017 to Early 2018) – ? – map
A3: Ludus – Iernut 18km (Early 2017 to Early 2018) – ? – map
A7: Bacau-North – Bacau-South 17km (May 2016 to May 2018) [1st c/w]– ? – map
A3: Nadaselu – Gilau 8.7km (July 2014 to Mid 2018) – ? – map
A10: Aiud – Alba Iulia-North 28.7km (July 2014 to 2018) – ? – map
A10: Alba Iulia-North – Sebes (A1) 16.0km (Spring 2015 to 2018) – ? – map
A1: Ilia – Deva/Soimus 22.1km (2013 to >= Late 2018) – ? – map

2020 opening:

A3: Bors – Suplacu de Barcau 60.1km (2004 to 2020?) [contract canceled] – project – map
A1: Margina – Holdea ~14km (2013 to >= 2020) – ? – map
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A10: Turda (A3) – Decea 16.8km - November 2017
A10: Decea – Aiud 8.5km - October 2017

Unfortunately for A1: Holdea – Ilia ~21km the opening date will not be this year. Maybe it will be end of Spring.

And for the A3- the section that enters in Bucharest it will be somewhere in 2018.
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Old July 24th, 2017, 12:11 PM   #9515
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Other than those two mention above (A10, between Aiud and Turda) we are not expecting any other opening this year.
2018 could see more openings (a lot more actually should be, but there are still some small details to be clarified in order for works to be at full speed. So only estimates could be made.
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Old August 17th, 2017, 10:17 AM   #9516
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A3 Bucharest - Voluntari (~ 3km)

set speed: 2x

It looks like the A3 from Voluntari towards Brasov is almost ready to use.
Why can't the exit Voluntari not be used yet to/from Brasov?
When do they plan to open it?
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That small local street probably would not withstand the trafic that an I/C with A3 will bring. So an opening would be made for the whole 6km segment, sometime next year I hope.
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 12:47 PM   #9518
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Two offers were submitted for the construction of the Braila Danube Bridge

1. Asocierea Astaldi SpA (Italia) – IHI Infrastructure Systems Co. Ltd. (Japonia)

2. Asocierea China Communication Construction Company Ltd (China) – China Road and Bridge Corporation (China) – Eptisa Servicios de Ingenieria SL (Spania)– Euro Construct Trading '98 SRL (Romania)– CCCC Second Harbour Engineering Co Ltd (China)- CCCC Highway Consults Co Ltd (China)



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A3 section works for Suplacu de Barcău- Borș (60 km) is up for tender now for an estimated value EUR 215 m. It has 3 lots: Suplacu de Barcău-Chiribiș (26 de km), Chiribiș-Biharia (29 de km), Biharia-Borș ( 5 km)
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My father visited Romania in 1977.
He remembers that they had to take a ferry across the Danube in Braila, because there were no bridges anywhere close. Their car was the only one in the ferry, the rest was occupied by horse carts.
It's surprising that no bridge has been built so far.
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