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Old October 24th, 2017, 09:45 PM   #9641
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The "hall of shame" for the roughly last 5,5 years.
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Relu Fenechiu		Dec 21 2012	Aug 26 2013	248 days
Dan Sova		Mar 05 2014	Jun 24 2014	111 days
10 Ministers, so the average duration in office is <7 months
Of whom 2 or 20% have already been tried and convicted for corruption.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 10:23 AM   #9642
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There is simply too much politics here as though this is 'Politics of the Romanian motorways" thread. And lots of trolling.

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Offers for the other 2 sections of A12 Craiova-Pitesti (about 64 km of DX) have been published. Total value approx 450 m EUR.

Section 3 bidders:

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1. Alsim Alarko Sanayi Tesisleri ve Ticaret A.S.
2. Asocierea Astaldi SpA - Tancrad S.R.L.
3. Asocierea Constructii Erbasu S.A. - Vahostav SK, as - Trameco S.A.
4. Asocierea Impresa Pizzarotti & C SpA - Pizzarotti S.A.
5. Itinera SpA
6. Asocierea PST Group JSC- PST Construction Works S.R.L.- Alpenside S.R.L.- General Trust Arges S.R.L.- Eurocerad International S.R.L.
7. Asocierea Spedition UMB S.R.L. - Tehnostrade S.R.L. - Consitrans S.R.L.
8. Asocierea Tirrena Scavi SpA - Toto SpA Costruzioni Generali
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1. Alsim Alarko Sanayi Tesisleri ve Ticaret AS
2. Asocierea Constructii Erbasu SA - Vahostav SK as - Trameco SA
3. Asocierea Inpresa Pizzaroti &C S.p.A. - Pizzaroti SA
4. SBI International Holding AG
5. Asocierea PST Group JSC - PST Construction Works SRL - Alpenside SRL - General Trust Arges SRL - Eurocerad International SRL
6. Asocierea Spedition UMB - Tehnostrade SRL - Consitrans SRL
7. Asocierea Tirrena Scavi SPA - TOTO SPA Construzioni Generali
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Old October 25th, 2017, 10:26 AM   #9643
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I spent a lot of time telling Le Clerk about the difference between Ten-T Core and Ten-T comprehensive and I was never quite sure that they ever understood or cared after all that.
Wow teacher ! :P Exactly where?
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Old October 25th, 2017, 10:30 AM   #9644
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What is the reason for such often replacments in Minstry of tranposrtation in Romania? It's not like ruling party is changing every few months?
No, but the ruling party is changing their ministers or even prime-ministers every few months because of political infighting. But let's keep it out of politics please.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 10:43 AM   #9645
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Wow teacher ! :P Exactly where?
In this thread. But dont let that stop your trolling.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 10:47 AM   #9646
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In this thread. But dont let that stop your trolling.
I challenge you to post the link.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 01:40 PM   #9647
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What is the reason for such often replacments in Minstry of tranposrtation in Romania? It's not like ruling party is changing every few months?
Simply put it wasn't the right guy for the job.
And all from the list above wasn't the right guys for the job.

From a Ministry we expect to have a lot of laws changed to make it easier to build great infratructure projects, but they don't do nothing at all.

The laws are so complicated here, that only a mastermind can change it (yet to be found). The problem started from 20 years ago, when they started to patch all laws instead of rewriting it. And then the EU came and some laws had to be taken from there as well.
Still 23 offices to sign a damn paper, and that's 2months at least usually 6 months on the "circuit" of bureaucracy. This should be changed urgently.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 05:06 PM   #9648
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However, yes, I made a mistake with 2022 vs 2020, projects need to end "just" at the end of 2022 (but afaik they need to be started before 2020).
Since there was some pro information shoveled around here with glee on this deadline of 2020, I asked a few times whether there is EU regulation on the deadline of eligibility of expenditure for TEN-T projects, which seemed like a straight enterprise for any insider. Never mind. I managed to extract it myself. Here you go.


REGULATION (EU) No 1303/2013 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 17 December 2013 laying down common provisions on the European Regional Development Fund, the European Social Fund, the ohesion Fund, the European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development and the
European Maritime and Fisheries Fund and laying down general provisions on the European Regional Development Fund, the European Social Fund, the Cohesion Fund and the European Maritime and Fisheries Fund and repealing Council Regulation (EC) No 1083/2006


Under the regulation, ESI includes the Cohesion Fund, under which TEN-T networks are funded.

Therefore, EU funds can be granted to payments for infrastructure projects effectively made as late as 31 Dec 2023. This also means that projects can be trailed well into 2023 , and still benefit from EU financial support, provided payment for such projects was made by the end of 2023.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 05:23 PM   #9649
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Subject to evaluation by 31 DEC 2022
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Old October 25th, 2017, 05:24 PM   #9650
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That does not prevent disbursements, if payments were made accordingly, by 31 Dec 2023.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 07:16 PM   #9651
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It does if the evaluation finds the project is incomplete at end 2022.

Also those rules do not apply to the A1 (and A6?) which is not funded by the mechanisms in that directive but by the CEF.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 11:27 AM   #9652
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the last two pages are just finding the excuses how Romania can get out of the problems it created by itself. really from my point of view it is much better to prepare the reliable plan than finding gaps in the law or counting the number of ministries
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Old October 26th, 2017, 01:21 PM   #9653
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1. Alsim Alarko Sanayi Tesisleri ve Ticaret A.S.


if the highway builds сомраny with ve Ticaret in name, then it will hurt your head, but a lot. With us to Sofia we have such a highway - А6, built by a Turkish company, it is constantly being repaired and what's going on, the tunnels will push them and do it again - no fix.The tunnels are constantly splitting and running and one pipe is always being repaired. The leakage in the tunnels is constant - just drains with water along the walls. It has reached a second wall inside the tunnel, as the water does not enter the traffic lane.
See what rocks and cliffs the тurks left - there are constantly landslides and falling stones.It's like you're on a Pakistani mountain road. It would have been ridiculous if it was not dangerous, and on this road the Romanians were going to Greece.

Call Count Vlad Zepesh to help if a Turkish company starts building with you

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Old October 26th, 2017, 02:31 PM   #9654
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These bids are listed in alphabetical order, so 1. doesn't mean anything. But there are quite a few Turkish firms I see, and with this large number of lots tendered recently, they might as well get something. If this happens, we will then be able to verify your claim regarding Turkish companies.

AFAIK, the only piece of motorway built by a Turkish company in Romania was a section of A2 near Bucharest, but this was like 15 years ago. And more recently, a Turkish firm won the contract for building Bacau Bypass @ half profile (this lot is now being tendered @ full profile), but they abandoned the job after only some minor works - most likely they did not agree w. CNAIR on how exactly they should build the thing, as it was a design and build contract.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 02:37 PM   #9655
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You forgot about A3
http://www.enka.com/portfolio-item/a...orway-project/
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Old October 26th, 2017, 04:34 PM   #9656
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Ten years ago, contracts for the construction of highways in Bulgaria were not well written, they only defended the builder. The Mapa Cengiz ve Ticaret Company 5 years ago only imitates activity to press at the moment the contracts expire, our Ministry of Transport. He reached shameful and ugly compromises - where there had to be a tunnel, fools were made in a rock (the Turkish company is supposed to be unable to build tunnels with a rock cut) :



zooducts tunnels have been done in the worst way and have been running since they were built.Тhe tunnels were made and buried for only 2 months and run totally. Their inner lining is made of ... cement board and it is tangled constantly.Вecause under the contract there had to be 2 tunnels, they made a completely unnecessary tunnel in the flat, scattering it over with a little land!:



Strange formwork, because Mapa Cengiz ve Ticaret had only such, and other similar divas.

As a cover, the Turkish company had registered a subsidiary in Bulgaria that took the money and disappeared after the release of the A 6. No complaints will be made against anyone:


The mountain stretch is only 5 km away and not a single meter from it is done properly, as a result of which always a part of the highway from its construction until now, 7 years is partially closed to the clearing of stones, strengthening and what not yet.


Problems, but not just for quality, but for the demand of more money, there was a Greek builder / Terna, the A3 (who abandoned the site), and an Italian https://www.google.bg/url?sa=t&rct=j...GJxfXxS6Nyr0-- on A 4 company.
These problems imposed a new way of signing contracts with construction companies, where the process is actually controlled from the very beginning of the construction and is paid only for the project activity, and in time. The delay in time and inadequate quality brought a lot of fines to the contractors. When they saw that they were not fraudulent, they were already working properly. Auctions are earned only by Bulgarian companies that have sufficient capacity and which are easier to control by the contracting authority.
We in BG do not want to hear about Greek, Italian, not to mention Turkish companies who play scam - they register subsidiaries through which to swindle.The whole "job" of these companies with loud names was to have 2-3 employees baked in fraud to hire Bulgarian contractors, many of whom finally did not pay, and some of them went bankrupt.
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Well, yeah. But the Turks were a subcontractor of Bechtel for that job.
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9 bids for A1 Sibiu - Pitesti LOT 1 (km. 0+000 - km. 13+170)

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1. Astaldi SpA
2. Construcții SA
3. Asocierea SC Impresa Pizzarotti&C SpA - SC Pizzarotti SA
4. Asocierea Itinera SpA - SC Retter Projectmanagement SRL
5. Porr Construct SRL
6. Societa Italiana per Condotte d'Acqua SpA
7. Asocierea SC Spedition UMB SRL - SC Tehnostrade SRL - Aktor Technical Societe Anonyme (Aktor SA)
8. Asocierea Tirrena Scavi SpA - Toto SpA Costruzioni Generali
9. Asocierea Trameco SA - Vahostav S.K. a.s. – Construcții Erbașu S.A. - East Water Drillings SRL
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Waiting for LOT 5 of PiSi soon !
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It does if the evaluation finds the project is incomplete at end 2022.

Also those rules do not apply to the A1 (and A6?) which is not funded by the mechanisms in that directive but by the CEF.
I will check that in the regulations and come back to you.

PS: someone should make a summary of the lot of motorway projects launched in just last few weeks to see when they are due and what is their EU cofin %. A few new projects were launched both on Core and Comprehensive.
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