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Old August 20th, 2010, 12:19 PM   #1581
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Even Belarus has more motorways than we do

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I've calculated the Belarussian motorway network length.



So that is 987 kilometers total, mostly due to the fact M1 is long and a motorway.

The definition of a motorway could slightly differ from that in other countries, as they can occasionally have pedestrian crossings or forest roads that enter the motorway in rural areas. Nearly all roads intersect the motorway with grade-separated interchanges. Cloverleafs are extensively used. (also between non-motorways).
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Old August 20th, 2010, 12:26 PM   #1582
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Even Belarus has more motorways than we do
I think those motorways were built during communism mainly. Which would have been a good idea for Romania as well. Instead, communists built in Romania one of the most exapanded railway network in Europe which now needs enourmous funds for maintenance and upgrade.


BTW: currently there are 310 km of motorway U/C in Romania. Source
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Old August 20th, 2010, 12:30 PM   #1583
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I think those motorways were built during communism mainly. Which would have been a good idea for Romania as well. Instead, communists built in Romania one of the most exapanded railway network which now needs enourmous funds for maintenance and upgrade.

BTW: currently there are 310 km of motorway U/C in Romania. Source
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Old August 20th, 2010, 12:58 PM   #1584
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BTW: currently there are 310 km of motorway U/C in Romania. Source
Could you specifie the sections U/C in Romania at this time (or give me link in english, if so done before)
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Old August 20th, 2010, 01:08 PM   #1585
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U/C motorways in Romania:
  • A1: Arad by-pass: 12 km
  • A1: Arad - Timisoara: 32 km
  • A1: Sibiu by-pass: 23,5 km
  • A2: Cernavoda - Constanta: 52 km
  • A3: Bucuresti - Ploiesti: 62 km
  • A3: Turda - Campia Turzii: 10 km
  • A3: Bors - Suplacul de Barcau: 64 km
  • A4: Constanta by-pass: 22 km
Total: 277,5 km

Existing motorways in Romania:
  • A1: Bucuresti - Pitesti + Pitesti by-pass: 128 km
  • A2: Bucuresti - Cernavoda: 152 km
  • A3: Gilau - Turda: 42 km
Total: 322 km
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Old August 20th, 2010, 01:14 PM   #1586
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I thought A4 was meant for the Est-Vest connection to Iasi?
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Old August 20th, 2010, 01:23 PM   #1587
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I thought A4 was meant for the Est-Vest connection to Iasi?
We also tought so, but the National Road and Motorways Company said that A4 will be Constanta by-pass. So we guess that East-West connection between Targu Mures and Iasi will be future A5.

Most of us think that they said that Constanta by-pass will be A4 because they want people to think that we have 4 motorways, instead of 3
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Old August 20th, 2010, 01:36 PM   #1588
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I thought A4 was meant for the Est-Vest connection to Iasi?
They changed the number for Constanta By-pass. We were mad at this but then I remembered the discussion you had some months ago on the topic of setting the motorway numbers so not to have to change them in the future. I am guessing they are considering expanding Constanta By-Pass (currently 22 km long) to the south all the way to the Bulgarian border (and possibly north to Ukraine) and turn it into a stand-alone motorway, so then it makes sense to have a different number than A2.
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They changed the number for Constanta By-pass. We were mad at this but then I remembered the discussion you had some months ago on the topic of setting the motorway numbers so not to have to change them in the future. I am guessing they are considering expanding Constanta By-Pass (currently 22 km long) to the south all the way to the Bulgarian border (and possibly north to Ukraine), so then it makes sense to have a different number than A2.
Yes, it makes sense to have a different number than A2, but A20 would have been a better solution, since even if the motorway would expand to Ukraine/Bulgaria, you can't say that it would be an across-the-country motorway, and it would still remain related to A2.

later edit: if they really want to make it A4, and to expand it to south and north, in the northern part they would have to think it all the way to Iasi, not only Tulcea/Galati/UA
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Existing motorways in Romania:
  • A1: Bucuresti - Pitesti: 113 km
  • A2: Bucuresti - Cernavoda: 152 km
  • A3: Gilau - Turda: 42 km
Total: 307 km
+ 15 km of Pitesti By-Pass makes 322 km in total.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 01:45 PM   #1591
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+ 15 km of Pitesti By-Pass makes 322 km in total.
Fixed it
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U/C motorways in Romania:[LIST]
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Total: 307 km
Any plans for Carpathian sections of A1 or A2? I guess they would be the biggest release for the traffic problems for Romania!
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Any plans for Carpathian sections of A1 or A2? I guess they would be the biggest release for the traffic problems for Romania!
The Motorway Authority plans to tender the mountain section of A1 (Pitesti-Sibiu) this year. The mountain section of A3 (Comarnic-Brasov) is planned for another tender next year. Most probably both will be organized as PPPs, as Pitesti-Sibiu has only partial EU funding, while Comarnic-Brasov has no EU funding whatsoever.
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Any plans for Carpathian sections of A1 or A2? I guess they would be the biggest release for the traffic problems for Romania!
A2 has no section in the Carpathians, being the motorway from Bucharest to Constanta.
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I think those motorways were built during communism mainly. Which would have been a good idea for Romania as well. Instead, communists built in Romania one of the most exapanded railway network in Europe which now needs enourmous funds for maintenance and upgrade.
Indeed, most motorways in Belarus were built during communism, the west-east connection being constructed for Moscow Olympics (1980). As for the railway network in Romania, it already existed before communism. Our tragedy is that here communism built almost nothing regarding infrastructure, preffering to throw away money on huge unproductive industry plants and blocks of flats.
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A2 has no section in the Carpathians, being the motorway from Bucharest to Constanta.
Most likely he wanted to say A1 & A3.
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Most likely he wanted to say A1 & A3.
You got it!
I want no know about Trans-Carpathian motorways because they are important for us in North-Eastern Bulgaria cus it's the shortest way for us to Central and Western Europe! So it's also in our interest this to be done as soon as possible!
Are there any plans about Bucuresti ringroad? I think this ringroad is much more important than Constanta bypass, but it's strictly my oppinion
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You got it!
I want no know about Trans-Carpathian motorways because they are important for us in North-Eastern Bulgaria cus it's the shortest way for us to Central and Western Europe! So it's also in our interest this to be done as soon as possible!
Are there any plans about Bucuresti ringroad? I think this ringroad is much more important than Constanta bypass, but it's strictly my oppinion
Well, they are both important, but Bucharest motorway ringroad does not have EU financing and it's expensive because it needs a lot of expropriation and it's also pretty long - 100 km.

For now, they are expanding to expressway the northern part of the existing ring, practically connecting A1, A2, and A3, and works will be completed by the end of the year, hopefully. Next year works will start to expand the southern section of the ring into an expressway.
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That's a very complex and expensive project (it also requires a bridge over the Danube) and I do not know whether the traffic warrants it (Corridor IX is too far away and takes on A5). Plus that for some section it will meet and go in parallel with A5. But it could be contemplated in the very distant future as a means to take tourism there, though I do not know whether the Delta needs mass tourism.
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That's a very complex and expensive project (it also requires a bridge over the Danube) and I do not know whether the traffic warrants it (Corridor IX is too far away and takes on A5). Plus that for some section it will meet and go in parallel with A5. But it could be contemplated in the very distant future as a means to take tourism there, though I do not know whether the Delta needs mass tourism.
This project is for 2025+
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